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But bin Laden says, "I don't want to compromise to your ways. I want to be able to live my life according to my ways." This is not bin Laden's personal problem. He is very rich. But most poor Muslims are not accepted by the Western-influenced world. So they cannot get good jobs and cannot make enough money to be truly happy. If Israel would only accept the Palestinians as honored and valuable members of their society and pay them accordingly, and give them respect for the jobs they do, there would not be a "Palestinian problem".

As it is, the Greater Son is mandating to the Lessor Son, be like us to get ahead and have a life. The plan for a successful life is to conform, work hard, and to become the boss. We don't respect the laborer and we do not pay him much.

But the Lessor Son is always going to be a laborer for the Greater Son. Islam means to submit. They do not have our ambition. We don't want people like that working in our companies. We don't respect them unless they become like us.

Bin Laden is a Lessor Son who, of course, was working for the Greater Son. We know his job was with the CIA. We know the CIA set up El Queda. I think the CIA said to bin Laden, "Your people are just throwing rocks. Do you want to be able do some real damage?" Bin Laden had a chance to be effective. But the CIA's real purpose was to make him look evil and dangerous, so the West could, with impunity, go out and annihilate them all.

Bin Laden does hate the West and hate our ways, but the West hates his ways equally. We worship pride, ego: we are go-getters. We keep others out of the good jobs. We don't pay them much because being fundamentally submissive doesn't work in the Western world. They pray five times a day! We can't spend valuable time doing that!!! We mainly see people like that as a hinderance to living smartly. We reject them. And since we reject them, they cause trouble, so the CIA set up bin Laden and used him to make all of those people look evil and dangerous. That does not deny bin Laden organized the attacks and the attacks killed about 5000 people. But the CIA may have created a situation so everyone would agree we should go after those people with everything we have got.

Moslems best represent the type of person the people in charge don't want to have to deal with. The World Trade Center attack was an excuse to go after all those people who don't fit, who are the lessor sons who don't compromise with the ways of the West, but do deserve a good life. (If we paid people living their own lives in Third World countries decent wages for the work they do for us; there are also other ways besides more pay that we can make work just as productive and more pleasant; there WOULD be world-peace.)

But when you say, "Go USA kill the bad guys", you may be doing exactly what the real bad guys want you to do!

The terrorist countries were shocked and appalled by the level of violence in the WTC attacks. We are proving with every day that we are very capable of that level of violence and the level of planning that went into it.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41096 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41095 Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:48:00 +0000
What are we supposed to do? Just let them kill 5,000 people and say they mean nothing to us. These people were from all nationalities not just our own. By the way, we didn't ask to be terriorized. We were chosen my OBL to be terriorized. Apparently, he wanted us to get into the war. Personally, I feel that OBL is trying to gain control of all the middle eastern countries and consequently will try to gain control of us. OBL wants power and he tries to acheive it through terriorism. He uses the religion of islam,as a sheild, in order to gain support from other muslims. But he is now starting to turn on some of them according to his latest video. He says that they have become unbelievers. The Egyptian foreign minister responded to him and said this is a war not between religions but between OBL and the world. Considering egypt is an arab country, I thought this was a bold statement. I was very proud to here that even the muslims are starting to realize they are not targets. This could only help the war on terriorism.

I am proud to be an american and proud that our president wants to protect our people.

God Bless America!!!!!!! GO ALLIES!!!!!!!!!]]> 9-11 Attack On America usa https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41095 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41094 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 23:11:00 +0000
We are not going to destroy the Taliban, and we will only do what we are forced to do to help the Northern Alliance, because they want to take Afghanistan back to what it was: a drug-growing country. Growing drugs might not be bad in the eyes of God. Drugs have lead a lot of people to God, in a lot of ways. In the New World that we want to set up in Afghanistan and everywhere else, there is no spirituality, just going to work and not getting into trouble. Like the book, 1984.

Bill Clinton won four wars, one in the impossible place of Bosnia without losing hardly any lives, because he fought to make things better. Afghanistan is on the verge of turning into a debacle because we are really fighting to make things worse. The World Trade Center? What is that? Well, it was an excuse to get into this war, in which we are trying to destroy another country. Not exactly classical American values.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41094 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41093 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 22:45:00 +0000
Yeah. When they have power, men are more gentle than women, odd as that seems.

I used to know the Israelis were the oppressed ones. Now, the Israelis have become the bad guys. The way the people who are currently in power operate: by assassination; by creating disasters, maybe the WTC attack; by stating their objective as one thing but doing something different needs to be carefully watched and reported.

Right now, the bad guys might be in power. Why did a CIA agent visit Bin Laden in the hospital?

MSNBC stated as a fact that the US established El-Queda. Now, top people act as if they don't care if they catch Bin Laden or not. These are extreme inconsistencies, they need to be questioned.

The real goal of the bad guys is to destroy wealth. Everyone who does that, telling Californians not to use their bridges, works to accomplish the goal of destroying wealth. You have to question which side, good or evil, Gov. Davis is on. And I despise the very appearance and voice of Tony Blair. He is like a Joker in a deck of cards; he seems no less than diabolically evil to me. You must question the legitimacy of powerful people who lessen our wealth, such as, closing down the airlines for five days. Until 12 o'clock the next day? Okay. But five days? They brought the airlines to their knees. Who are the real bad guys?]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41093 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41092 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 22:12:00 +0000 I'm not so sure that the coalition wants the Northern Alliance to take charge. They are not all so upright in their backgrounds, as well as many are expecting some ethnic backlash(read cleansing) if they should get in control of the country without the proper safeguards being set up. The best bet for the future of Afghanistan seems to be a mix of short term involvement by the UN with a coalition government, being assembled by the former monarch, to take full charge when all the consequentials are worked out. No one seems to be rushing to overthrow the Taliban before this is accomplished and that seems like it is going to take an inordinate amount of time.

AA.]]> 9-11 Attack On America anotheramerican1 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/4/#post-41092 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41091 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:49:00 +0000 In citing only the Arab/Palestinian "holy warriors" actions as proof of their wrongness and Israel's righteousness, you've managed to ignore the historical perspective of this conflict and are only helping to prolong the carnage in this incendiary region of the world.

How are you helping to do this? By not disseminating the whole truth. As far as I understand it, justice can only be served after the whole story is heard. You can serve all sorts of things in this way, but not justice.

Why is justice so important? Because, aside from the general historical lessons that have instructed us of the need for this commodity to be abundant in order for civil societies to function, it has been stated by the vast majority observers of this situation that great injustices have been taking place in this fracas, the greatest of which is the loss of a "nation", and until some semblance of justice starts to be meted out the bloodletting will not and cannot stop.

But this is not, as Disgustedwoman has stated so well, a Jewish issue, it's an Israeli issue. And it's barely this. The present government were elected by a slim majority and reached this, by what I feel, were some diabolical machinations. The death of Itzak Rabin was all too timely and was a horrendous precedent that was foretold by some extremely vile trashtalking by the Isreali hard right. The ensuing power shift has seen the political detritus of Zion ascendant and the ensuing intentional warmongering has torn the
peace process asunder. To put it plain Ariel Sharon is a blood a thirsty Arab hater and the minister who died was no better. These peoples only aim seem to be how they can provoke and promote war. They walk around calling Arab lice and vermin and stating that they should all be sent to Mecca. How much plainer would you like it presented?

What makes this situation even worse has been the fact that, after receiving the lion's share of our largesse, Mr. Sharon has told us and the world, in no uncertain terms, that he's gonna do what he damn well feels like doing. Which as we've learned from experience is bloodletting and/or promulgating warfare. If you haven't noticed, he was summoned to see Pres. G.W. Bush this week, but has once again given the US the virtual middle finger, by stating that he has pressing "security" concerns at home.

No one wants to see Jews die, they have certainly done enough of that in he recent past, but on the other hand shouldn't we be just as concerned about unwarranted Palestinian/Arab deaths or are you of the mind, like a few others on this board, that their deaths and sufferings are inconsequential. I trust that this view is not shared by many in the world and even if the majority of Americans feel this way, although I don't think this is so, it must be understood that there is always ugly, but preventable, outcomes when the associated actions of this sort of thinking manifest themselves upon those on the receiving end of it. I refer you to review all the struggles of those who view themselves as being unjustly dealt with. Yeah, you can even go back to the very beginnings of the U.S.A.

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To DisgustedWoman,
As much as I see your point I would be remis if I didn't reply to your general criticism of male leadership.

It seems that you missed the fact that most of the women who have come to leadership post in the recent and past history, have done so by displaying all the testorone induced behavior that usually distinguish men from women. They have outdone men in their hawkishness in such a way as to make them more acceptable/palatable to male sensibilities. In other words they seem to have pandered to male power. I cannot forget the fervor that Margaret Thatcher had for the Falklands war. It was no surprise that during her tenure the IRA stepped up their campaigns. Her Idea of foreign policy was to get tough with everybody. But you don't to go too far to find a modern example. Have you noticed how hawkish Condileeza Rice is. She's one tough cookie and she needs to be to walk with that crowd and wield power power have validity in it.

All told, I am in great appreciation of your point of view and am looking forward to further post as I trust your opinion will be forthcoming.

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Hey Facts,
I hear Mr. Sharon has filed for separation from Mr. Bush at the first circuit court of Jerusalem. His official complaint was that - "He's not the boss of me".

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Hey John,
I'm not so sure they're trying to catch Bin Laden either. It would sure put a halt to the activities by taking away most, if not all, the public will for completing their stated mission.

Bye, AA.]]> 9-11 Attack On America anotheramerican1 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41091 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41090 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 16:18:00 +0000
Add the fact that some men lived with two, three, or four wives, and that they did drugs openly whenever they felt like it... remembering this was a cultered neighborhood, not a desperate slum... you have a picture of Utopia.

Learning about this it is no wonder to me why the West and the Superpowers wanted to invade Afghanistan. Afghanistan was going happily along, supporting some very idyllic places like Kabul by selling drugs to the world.

The West and Russia weren't only interested in taking Afghanistan over, they needed to destroy its culture. That's why it's been so hard, because destroying a country's culture, obliterating it, is hard to do...

Now, our problem biggest problem is that while we can conquer the Taliban in three days, if we did that the Northern Alliance and most of the Afghans left would just rebuild Afghanistan to its former glory. No, we want Afghanistan to become part of the "New World Order"; a place no one does drugs, men have one wife, men and women work hard all day long and don't make enough money to live a spiritual life, and there are a host of other modern annoyances.

No, we are not just trying to kick out the Taliban. And it seems we don't even care anymore if we catch bin Laden and bring him to justice, because we are mainly interested in destroying a country that used to be, in some places, amazingly idyllic. That's why we are prolonging the war.

If this is true bin Laden is correct to hate the West and want them to get out of his land. But one point about bin Laden. A Paris newspaper reported that a top CIA agent visited bin Laden in the hospital when bin Laden had a serious kidney problem. When Clinton tried to kill bin Laden and didn't tell anyone he was launching cruise missles on bin Laden's location, bin Laden left the area hours before the missles hit. Who told him, someone in the CIA?]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41090 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41089 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:51:00 +0000 9-11 Attack On America justhefacts https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41089 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41088 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:45:00 +0000
Good point...but I was including more than just Bush and Bin Laden.

When I used the term "Men Behaving Badly"....I feel that in between Bin Laden is a whole range of those who have trampled on the Afghans. And you are right... that definitely would include the Taliban. Before them the Russians, and keep on trucking back in time and you will find women and children starving, because, even in time of draught or famine in those societies, they are held in little regard. They get the smallest share without a man to protect them. And not just in Afghanistan. Remember that the Butcher of the Balkans is going on trial soon.

And to L'amenex

So if a Palestinian uses crude weapons...they are terrorists. If the Israeli Army uses a tank, that is defending the homeland. What about the murderer of Rabin? What about the killings by non-Army Israelis? I don't think so Tim.

I am NOT anti Jewish. I have worked for Jewish people for years in the DC area, which you know has a huge Jewish community. Many of them find the Israeli mindset rather warped.]]> 9-11 Attack On America disgustedwoman https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41088 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41087 Sun, 04 Nov 2001 05:45:00 +0000
I want to know what makes you think that we are starving afgans. Many of them were already grief stricken by the loss of husbands and hunger long before we stepped in. If the taliban was for the their people don't you feel they wouldnt' use them as sheilds. There would not be so much distress if they would apparently share their abundance wealth with their people. BUT obviously they are not willing to do that because they had rather terriorize Americans and other people that stand for freedom and choice.]]> 9-11 Attack On America usa https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-november-6-2001/paged/3/#post-41087