https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/ Disaster Message Service Discussion Board en-US Sun, 31 May 2026 12:34:36 +0000 wpForo 60 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40998 Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:43:00 +0000
What a good idea. Seeing as how the majority of US citizens come from immigrant foreigners then, as an exercise, should prove interesting.]]> 9-11 Attack On America mickthemidget https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40998 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40997 Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:30:00 +0000
He hates communists. I think our "it is futile to resist" military is way cool. I just hope they are kicking butt for the Good Guys.

And where the heck did Compassion go? I think she is intellectually interesting, and amazingly sexy... even if God doesn't think so.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40997 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40996 Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:18:00 +0000
Those of the ultra right are the same people I think are making this war happen through well-timed catastrophes made vivid by a totally cooperative press. The ultra right in America bought and control the press, and I say they were secretly behind the attacks on the World Trade Center.

They are also the same people who hated the "hippies" and my generation. So, while it isn't a generational war, it is a spiritual war between generations.

I was making a point saying that all of my favorite television shows are being taken away: shows that are intellectually interesting, and shows that are sexy. They are being replaced in an almost conspiratorial way by shows that are intellectually bland. But the amazing thing is, who could have that much power? Someone does, and now they want more power by destroying the world economy.

You are convinced the ultra right in Israel are propogating war. I am convinced the ultra right in America are propogating war. These are very similar observations, and these people are dangerous. To find evidence of involvment between the terrorist and the American ultra right would be to study and find the World Trade Center towers could not have been brought down by those upper story fires, or at least not so completely or quickly. This should be studied.

It is definitely a worldwide ultra-right conspiracy. But ask the question, who are these people, really? Are they really right wing? I am right wing. I voted for Ronald Reagan, then Reagan started screwing around with economy, then I learned that he had been a card carrying communist (or socialist, no difference). Bill Crystal is the guru of the ultra right in America. His father was a big-time socialist.

The communist goal was total world domination, but then they suddenly said, "Oh sorry, we were wrong." I don't think they would have laid down and died that easily, and it is especially troubling that Reagan, the guy who supposedly beat them was a card-carrying socialist.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40996 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40995 Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:43:00 +0000 I'll just advise you if you want to see some of my post you can scan through the the archives because I don't commit any to memory(my computer's that is) and I certainly wouldn't want to bore anyone by reposting them. It's bad enough that I've posted so many.

On the other hand, if it's my goofy spin on the 3rd batt. attack you want then here it is. I have been in a few fights in my life, some where I've had to disarm an assailant, but I could never say I know what a battlefield is all about. But this does not preclude me from knowing the difference in intensity between the various historical campaigns and wars. I also know that Afghanistan has been the Waterloo of many a great army. But I don't think that any army that has attacked this country has had the technical sophistication and has used that technical superiority(especially air superiority) so extensively and prepared the ground so well before an attack. The big gun ships strafing the Taliban post after the extensive bombing sorties have ultimately decimated the oppossition before the ground troops(your beloved rangers) could land and perform their jobs. This means that, as the chairman said, the ground troops came under light fire or resistance. What does this mean? It means they were not in Nam or the beaches of Normandy. It means they were not at the battle of the Bulge or Inchon. I think you get the picture. They should, as soldiers, have some feeling of accomplishment, I guess, but it doesn't seem like something to beat your chest too much about.

Sincerely A.L.I.(float like a butterfly, sting like a bee)]]> 9-11 Attack On America anotheramerican1 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40995 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40994 Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:00:00 +0000 I would imagine that people, who were near ground zero, heard explosions. If you have been near a collapsing building or in an earth quake you would know that there are some very dramatic sounds associated with these phenomenon.

The conspiracy you speak of is still off the mark to me although I can understand where you are coming from. I think if there is a conspiracy it must be coming from an anti-arab, anti-muslim quarter. The cause for me to think this way is in the things that are going on in Israel. Since the death of Rabin there has been a consolidation of power by the ultra right in that country. They lost a few elections but they have managed to get back in power by a series of acts of violence that are somehow always timely and useful for their purposes. They have managed to use the world's media in their favor at all times. The global media has put the entire onus of stopping all violence at the hands of the Palestinian Authority even when the Israeli government seems to have no real control over their "settlers" and right wing yet they are not held accountable. When Rabin was assasinated I remember seeing his killer on the TV chewing gum and laughing and the authorities looking dismayed more than disdainful or angry. There was no witch hunt for his accomplices or co-conspirators although Leah Rabin plainly said that the ultra-right had facilated it by their public talk. Subtly hinting at a right wing conspiracy. No Israeli social upheaval or deep violent schism just slumped shoulders, heads hanging low and a vote minisculy in favor for peace. But for the assasination of a man who called all Arabs lice and stated they should be sent to Mecca even Palestinian school girls must die. Israel has made a statement in this in that even though they could not or would not protect Rabin from a gruesome fate they expect the Palestinian authority to do this for a man who does like to have body guards. It seems they are now bent on war. I, for one, feel Mr. Sharon and his ilk are devotees of the cult of war and hatred and are finding creative ways to prosecute it.

There is where I see some conspiracy. In all these actions I see some complicity by the western media who have no qualms about demonising Mr. Bin-Laden but have put on some goose down filled, kid leather gloves for dealing with the blood thirsty Mr. Sharon and his marauders. They have bowed to the US led coalition's request for help in creating the proganda you speak about as it concerns Al-quaida and The Taliban and have no strength, will or concern about what Israel does although it is the very root of the problem. When I see them interviewing men like Benny Netanyahu(who benefitted from the death of Rabin and who was one the hard right Mrs. Rabin was speaking of) for an objective view on the situation then you know the score.

Maybe The Israeli army can order thousands of the masks, that Fredledinque highlighted, so they can place them on their victims like so many crooked cops have done with their hidden guns and say they thought they were looking at Bin-Laden when they fired. With the mode the western media is now in, this would probably prove to be a very successful strategy.

As you can see, I consider the middle east as the primary concern. And the conspiracy, if there are any, would probably be coming from groups who are interested in a pro-Israel outcome. The problem with this is rest of us are caught in the middle and are endangered by this as well as us standing by and watching a modern, slow motion genocide take place.

See ya, AA.]]> 9-11 Attack On America anotheramerican1 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/4/#post-40994 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40993 Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:40:00 +0000
Then I heard him speak. I realized he wanted us to know how his people felt. I don't agree with his methods, and I am sure that you, God, also agree that violence is never a good thing.

Yeah, right. In the face of total apathy, or when facing a complete unwillingness to understand your viewpoint, as you know, violence is the only way you can be effective.

But I am warning of a much larger conspiracy who really do want to destroy our wealth. Bin Laden's deputy, who is much less sophisticated than bin Laden made two statements in his speech. He said, "America's young men are looking forward to living. Our young men are looking forward to dying." So, he wants to be treated more fairly by wealthy people. He does not think wealth is evil, in fact he wants a piece of the American pie. Even though he is on the other side of the world, he has this sense that America's moral duty is to make the whole world rich. I agree with that. But Bill Bennett said the problem with America is that average people have too much money. I am sure that Bennett also believes average people should not be allowed to fly around the country so easily. Well, somebody is fixing that. The only question is who. Bennett stated on MSNBC our biggest problem was too much wealth and freedom. Bin Laden's deputy called for Holy War, and said all Americans are now legitimate targets. I thought to myself, "They should not be broadcasting that!"

Insiders said they would not allow bin Laden or his people on TV without being edited. Okay, good idea. Then MSNBC put on their scroll, running beneath the screen, "So and so (bin Laden's deputy) calls for Holy War against all Americans." I said wait a minute, that's the part they should not be broadcasting, and now they are repeating it.

It wasn't the call for violence they were opposed to. It was the reasonable things bin Laden said that they were not going to broadcast.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40993 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40992 Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:29:00 +0000
Whatta ya think about our boys from the 3rd batt. now Huh? Huh? Huh? Speechless.

What kind of goofie spin will you and your
Anti-American think to much about things that don't matter friends put on this great moment in our great countries history?

To soon to figure out what the newest liberal spin will be?

Please highlight your best material and re-post it for my review, I need to get to no the enemy better.

D.O.G.]]> 9-11 Attack On America god https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40992 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40991 Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:13:00 +0000
d.o.g.]]> 9-11 Attack On America god https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40991 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40990 Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:57:00 +0000
How the buildings came down would be very crucial to know. The lower floors were not burning. I think, even if the upper floors collapsed due to the fire, they would not have brought the whole building down. It should be studied.

In a building demolition, sequential charges are placed in the columns. The explosions start at the top and, in sequence, they bring the building down. What happened to the towers looked exactly like a building demolition, not a collapse from fire, which happens in a slower and more agonizing way.

Yes they would have come down, or at least most of the building, but not that fast.

I think the frustration of Muslims is a matter of meekness versus pride. They want the powerful to treat them fairly. A prideful person would say, I can solve my own problems. The Muslims, who are generally meek in spirit want the US to go over to Israel and tell the Israelis something like this, "We treat the blacks fairly and we highly respect their contribution to our society. If you Israelis do not treat the Palestinians with the same type of respect, you will feel some of our wrath. Then they want us to make it happen: pressure Israel to protect the rights of Palestinians in the same way we protect the rights of blacks, which is no longer even an issue. Now we respect the rights of the Mexicans in our country and we greatly appreciate their contribution. I appreciate Mexicans everytime I see all the beautifully cut grass and total lack of litter along every street in Charlotte. I think the Mexicans are so happy because they have no problems living six people to one apartment. They don't have any rent! So their paychecks make them feel rich, and they are a happy group of people, and they make our cities literally sparkle. The Muslims were originally created as the lessor son, but they want to be treated with equal respect. If we helped them have a better life, we would not be seen as The Great Satan. Instead, we would be seen as the Great Rich Uncle, which is how they would like to see us, and then they might not be flying airplanes into our buildings.

That is what bin Laden would have said if they let him talk, and many people, including me, would have said, "Hmm, let's kill him for what he did but you know, he has a point."

However, there is another group who honestly think our wealth is the root of all our problems. It's not a good idea to name names, that makes enemies, but I will name one name: Bill Bennett. He makes many statements that suggest we would be much better off if we weren't as rich. He has made statements that start with, "This may sound Bolshevik but..." He really scares me.

People blame the Muslims for wanting to destroy our wealth because the are jealous of us. I think they are not jealous and they want us to be a benevolent rich uncle. However, there is a large and powerful group of fundamentalist-thinking people in the US who really want to take away our wealth and take us back 50 years. They make movies for TV with 1950's attitudes and fashions. They seem to control every show on my cable TV system: Time Warner. There are too often nights when there are 900 channels and nothing is on. They are very powerful. If the buildings could not have been brought down that quickly or that neatly by airplanes; if the airplanes crashing through the buildings were just part of the special effects, then we need to look at that other group of people who happen to be tickled pink by America's mindset right now.]]> 9-11 Attack On America johncauthen https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40990 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40989 Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:11:00 +0000 Thanks for the compliment I think? But did you really go to San Diego to get faced at Hooters and go home alone. I bet you coulda brought that nifty little outfit you used in college and go to the guacamole smackdown. You and some guy slitherin around in olive green goop. Him holdin ya by the waist as he's about to make a throw and you, in a drunken stupor, screamin "whooooa rangers, lead the way". I'd pay to see that.

Your amigo AA.]]> 9-11 Attack On America anotheramerican1 https://www.viexpo.com/9-11-attack-on-america/archive-through-october-23-2001/paged/3/#post-40989