https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/ Disaster Message Service Discussion Board en-US Sat, 16 May 2026 06:19:42 +0000 wpForo 60 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2776 Wed, 05 May 1999 21:23:00 +0000 the shooting in colorado.]]> Columbine High School Shooting ryancheeoftoyeiaz https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2776 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2775 Wed, 05 May 1999 18:43:00 +0000 Columbine High School Shooting chuck https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2775 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2774 Wed, 05 May 1999 18:42:00 +0000 Columbine High School Shooting melissa https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2774 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2773 Sun, 02 May 1999 08:35:00 +0000
Walled in communities??

When are y'all gonna wake up?

The USA has more people per capita in prison than EVER before.

Guns guns guns guns--make them go away.]]> Columbine High School Shooting trelaway https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2773 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2772 Sat, 01 May 1999 04:40:00 +0000 Columbine High School Shooting heatherraulersonoflake https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2772 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2771 Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:00 +0000 Columbine High School Shooting joel https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2771 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2770 Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:42:00 +0000 I agree with much of what Jim Drush wrote in his essay. As a parent of two, I strive to be attentive and nurturing with affection and time rather than money and "pacifiers." I feel that rewarding everything with money is external validation. It is far better to feel a sense of satisfaction internally. TV and video games are artificial babysitters and "pacifiers" that bring on a passive, soporific state in children and teens. Our kids are growing up culturally illiterate, for all the information at their disposal, with no sense of the world around them. TV, video games and movies are brain candy. Read BRAVE NEW WORLD and you will see many frightening connections between futuristic London and 1999 America. We have our own soma.
J. Edgar Hoover said that "We can prevent more crime in the high chair than in the electric chair." So true. I hurt for all my students who have terrible home lives, filled with poverty, drugs, abuse, crime, and neglect, but I do not believe these circumstances can be used as an excuse, for there are many kids from unfortunate backgrounds who are productive and law-abiding.

These boys in Colorado were very self-absorbed, according to several psychological profiles I have read. I think they must have gotten this from their parents, for how could they have been so unaware of what was going on in their own homes?

I feel sorry for Klebold and Harris, not because I think they were victims, but because they wasted their few years on this planet on hatred and violence. They must not have felt loved or worthy. They could not take simple pleasure in the natural and manmade beauty around them and chose to hole themselves up in their diabolical bomb-making "laboratories," hunching over their computer keyboards, typing propaganda and hatching plots of terrorism. That is sad enough, but to think they were "successful" in robbing thirteen people of their fullest Earthly lives is unspeakable. Hell has gained two more demons.

For my part, I will go on teaching, trying very hard not to think about all of this too much, or I won't be able to go on. Being at school for the past week has been trying. Rumors have been spreading that our school and/or another local high school will be bombed on Friday, which is supposedly the day of Hitler's death (I have not verified this date). Blame for the threats seems to fall on a student who drives a hearse to school. I just try to keep going and not pay too much attention to all the rumors. But I think that is what the people at Columbine did, too. Who knows what to do or where it will all stop? We have had five bomb threats at our school in the three years I have been there. It's like the old story about the little boy who falsely cried "Wolf!" One day there was a wolf and no one believed him. Well, the wolf came around last week. Will it return?]]> Columbine High School Shooting dianasullivan https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2770 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2769 Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:32:00 +0000 Columbine High School Shooting boogaloo https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/paged/2/#post-2769 https://www.viexpo.com/columbine-high-school-shooting/archive-through-may-05-1999/#post-2768 Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:32:00 +0000 http://www.mlode.com/~ra/ra8/whyatcolumbinehigh.htm


The Littleton Colorado tragedy
Why it happened
And what can be done to stop it from happening over and over again


Part One:


The Big Picture....
How our children will always act out the sickness..
in the family and the world


The children will always act out the surpressed feelings
(anger-rage) and desires of the parents and society.

The children will also act out the secrets of the parents. And
we as a society are as sick as our secrets.

This is what we have seen come home to us in Littleton, Colo.
and will continue to see in growing intensity if we as a people
don't finally realize that it is us who have the problem not
them.

It should be clear to all by now that most of the students in
Columbine High knew about the behavior of the trenchcoat
Mafia. Why didn't they discuss it with their parents? If they
did why didn't the parents discuss it with the schools
administration? And if they did why didn't the school
administration discuss it with law enforcement? And why
didn't law enforcement do something about it? These would
seem like reasonable questions that need to be answered don't
you think? I wonder how many children did talk to their
parents about it and the parents did nothing. How many
children didn't bother to talk to their parents because they
knew their parents would do nothing. Do you parents really
know what your children are doing on a day to day basis in
their life? Do you know their friends? Do you talk to their
friend's parents and compare notes with them about what
your child is telling you? This is not about trusting your child
this is about parents coming out of denial and being
responsible adults.

The case of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, two high school
kids in a nice neighborhood, in a nice school, brings stark
reality to this invariable truth. The truth they knew, saw and
understood. The truth we have been desperately trying to hide
as a people. The truth that we hide through our pride and our
perfectionism. Our denial to look for the cancer within us.
The horrible truth that we would rather see our children die
than face the truth about ourselves. But our children will
continue to die and take some of us with them if we are not
really open to change. We must really see through new eyes
who we are and to realize who we are as a people and as a
society and that nothing outside our selves will help us. We
are the problem, not guns, not God, or lack of God, not the
neighbors kid, not drugs, not alcohol, not homosexuality, not
violent movies and video games, not the internet, not satanic
music or lyrics; not satin himself...none of these factors can
gain control of our children if we as parents have done our
job...it is us as parents who are the problem. And only we can
do anything to effect change. "Me" as a person and "We" as
a society have the problem and "You" as a parent are
responsible to change it. Its not them it is us.

Parents are, in general, not bad people. Each and every one of
us has sincerely tried to do and give our children the best we
are willing and have to offer. Once again I mention the
importance of our action not our words. Our words always
mean the best for our children but our actions speak in
hypocritical terms and this is what causes the confusion and
anger for our children. What in fact the kids see and hear are
the words and the hypocritical actions we as parents have
heard and learned from our parents.

The Bible says very clearly, "...Provoke not your children to
wrath.....". Ephesians 6:4 (English-KJV ) "Fathers, do not
exasperate your children...."(NIV version)

Webster Dictionary definition says that "Provoke" means to:

1 a archaic : to arouse to a feeling or action b : to incite to
anger

2 a : to call forth (as a feeling or action) : EVOKE b : to stir
up purposely c : to provide the needed stimulus for

The Thesaurus shows the synonyms to be to Irritate, annoy,
incite, and to generate!

Invoke, to insult, outrage, anger, incense, instigate, stir up,
induce, cause, perturb, upset, to lead one into doing or feeling
or to produce by so leading a person.

If we expect our children to obey us we must earn their
respect and stop provoking them to wrath.

If children experience abuse, either physical or emotional in
the home they will take that abuse out on others and
themselves. If parents push their kids to perfection in sports,
or grades, that is abuse and creates anger. The child will often
take that anger out on those they consider inferior to them.
(This is what happened at Columbine High, first the jocks
take their anger out on the trenchcoat Mafia and then the
trenchcoat Mafia take their anger out on the jocks and
others)

There is a pecking order in schools just like in many homes.
The heroes get the praise and attention. Those that are living
out moms and dads and the teachers dreams get the strokes,
the rest get abused and at best ignored.

We all should know, if we are sensitive at all, that children are
tremendously abusive in school towards one another. Why?
Where did they learn to be abusive? If you are not part of
"the in group," you are nothing in most schools.

Most parents don't know what abuse is because they were
raised the same way and they think they turned out OK
because they judge OK by money and materialism. Good job,
nice home, lots of adult toys. These have nothing to do with
knowing how to give a child what they need to feel good
about themselves and others. This is the hypocrisy that
children see in their parents. Parents who don't love
themselves can't possibly teach children to love themselves.

We ask why we are seeing these types of disasters happening
in nice schools in nice neighborhoods? Money, materialism,
perfectionism, snobbism is the majority. What does that
create in those who don't see that as life's answer? Where and
why do kids learn to act this way? In the home from mom
and dad. They see it modeled for them.

Children are not going to admit that this is going on. They
will protect their parents just as we protect ours. Children
would rather accept all the responsibility than give the
impression that parents might have faults. This is what society
(Generations of dysfunctional beliefs) demand of them if they
are to be accepted.

None of us claim to know everything when it comes to raising
children and being a good parent. Then why do we act
perfect? We act like we know it all. We say we don't but if I
ask you to tell me specifically what it is you don't know, what
are you going to tell me? It proves; we can't know what we
don't know. We all know that huge amounts of progress and
knowledge has occurred in every area of society as it pertains
to our jobs and our personal life. Yet why do we continue to
try to raise our children on 100-year-old outdated inherited
and passed on information that has never worked? Why do
we hang on to the "fairy tales" of the past?

What are the children seeing as role models? They are seeing
their moral leader, the President, being allowed to get away
with immoral behavior and then when he lies and covers it up,
his parents, (the voting public) do nothing because they don't
want to rock the boat for fear of loosing some of their
materialistic gains he has helped them acquire. Is this not
hypocrisy the kids are seeing at the highest level? What did
their parents do to try to stop it? What did they see their
elected representatives trying to do to stop it? The Children
really have been watching and I suspect their actions reflect
their disgust with what they see! Who really is running our
nation, who is making the decisions, who is really responsible
for the crime and unrest in our country? The adults...not the
children. Then why are we blaming the children? We have the
power not them. If we expect change we have to change by
example if we want them to change. We can't ask them to be
perfect when it is so obvious we are not perfect. Don't you
think they can see this?

How do we get our children to consider doing what we want
them to do? Do we use money or materialistic things to bribe
them and control them? Is that your value system? Is that
what motivates you? Or is it easier to give money and
materialist things than yourself, your time, and your feelings?
What happens when the money and gifts stop coming?

Another example: Where and how and with whom are the
children allowed to express their anger? How have they seen
anger dealt with in their home? Do they know how to have,
feel and deal with constructive anger? Do you as a parent
know? Is it working? What are the signs you see in your child
that he is having healthy anger or not having healthy anger?
All the signs are there for you to see if you know what they
are. This is a serious problem with all children that parents
must face but most are using tools and methods 100 years old
that don't work now! This is an another example of why the
children are in trouble with your leadership. If you are
starting to get angry by my words, please take it as a good
sign and don't let your pride and ego get in the way of your
stated desire to help your children. That would be the major
reasons we are were we are today. We require our children to
be open to new information and they are learning new ideas
of the 21st century and we as parents are still living and
swearing by 19th century child rearing techniques. The
children see it and know it and are rebelling.

For all of you parents who have placed your faith in God and
the bible as the primary answer to all your child's problems
you better take a hard look at why it is not working. Raising
children requires the effort of both God and man. God can't
do it without you. That is why he gave us free will. And in no
way do I think God is happy about the way his children are
being raised by the adults he has placed in charge. I suspect if
he were the parent he would be doing it considerable different.
He was pretty clear that most issues could be solved with love
and good example. He set that example and showed unlimited
love for all except the hypocrites. Parent's main problem is
the hypocrisy. Take the log out of your own eye before you
start trying to deal with the speck in your child's eye.

We have to face that we are really in fact all equals. No one
any better or worse than anyone else, we are all equally
screwed up and we are all responsible. We are all good and all
bad. Our kids are us. They reflect us, both the inner and the
outer us. The part that is obvious and the part that we try to
hide. They pay the price for our secrets and our hypocrisy.
The only way out is through and we have to begin the journey
to save our children and in the process we just may save
ourselves.

Jim Drush


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