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(@concerned)
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Genocide in the name of Christianity? Please explain.


   
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Famous European writter, Peter Handke, has announced that he will, as a sign of protest against NATO fascistic aggression on FRY, return very prestigious "Bihner reward" for literature, and that he will, moreover, abondon catholic religion, because of the "warmongers from the Catholic Church". In Handke's oppinion, Pope has condemned only a "war" and not a barabarious aggression on a proud, sovereign country. Likewise, in French press, especially "Mond", some Church representatives are constantly justifying NATO "humanitarian agression".

Peter Handke, one of the leading European humanists, "an individualistic anarchist and a follower of Albert Camus", how he usually describes himselves, was in Belgrade till recently, expressing his solidarity with Yugoslav people who are fighting New World Order global police called NATO.


You can download YuTarget image, which has become the symbol of resistance to the New World Order and NATO:
www.yutarget.com


   
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WANT TO KNOW bla bla killing bla WHAT TO DO bla bla bla Klinton WITH ALL THAT bla bla bla Serbs HEMP YOU GROW bla bla bla bla Albanians AROUND KOSOVO?bla bla kill, maim torture!
http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/
Peace not WoD
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 maja
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I was asked to write names of the people that KLA killed. I will start but there is so many of them. Is there is need I will continue.

1996; April 22, Blagoje Okulic, a Serb refugee from Craina sitting in a cafe, first victim.

April 28, Arman Daci, Albanian Student, died

June 16, Goran Mitrovic, police officer, heavily wounded.

June 17, Predrag Djordevic ( 28 ) killed, Zoran Vukocic ( 30 ) heavily wounded.

July 11, Sredoje Radojic, police officer, died.

August 1, attact on three police stations.

August 28, three bombs on the village Celopek
Ejip Bejgora, 44, Albanian died.

August 31, two bombs thrown on the Yugoslavian army baracks.

October 25, two policemen Milos Nickolic and Dragan Rakic, died.

November 16, attact on the police station.

December 26, Faik Belopolja, Albanian working for the Serbia Forest Service, died.

1997; January 9, MalicSaholi, director of the Supermarket in Podujevo, Albanian, died.

January 13, Fazil Hasani, Albanian, killed cause he was a traitor.

January 16, attempt to assassinate the Dean of Pristinas University, his driver heavily wounded.

January 17, Albanian Zen Durmisi killed, his son heavily wounded.

March 5, bomb in front of Pristina Universty, four students died, two Albanians, two Serbs.

March 25, village Sicevo, Jusuf Hljiljaj, Fehmni Haziroj died, Mehmet Gasi wounded, cause they were loyal to Serbia, all three Albanians.

April 10, Albanian Ramiz Geka died.

May 6, Hetem Dobruna died, Albanian.

May 16, police officer Miomir Kicovic died, police officer Radisav Blanic, heavily wounded.

June 9, heave attact on the police patrol.

July 3, Albanian Ali Calapek killed, a member of a Socialist party of Serbia.

July 21, Assistant Distric Attorney, Miroljub Petrovic, died.

August 4, Police officers Milomir Dodic and Zoran Boskovic plus one civilian died.

August 23, Albanian Sadi Morina, died, he was threatened for a long time cause he worked for Serbian company.

September 2, Albanian Ljimen Krasnici died, he was called a traitor and killed.

September, 13, 14, 23, attacts on police stations.
October 13 aswell.

In October 120 Serbian families were attacted...

Like I said, I can go on. There are more victims.
As you can see KLA doesn't only kill Serbs but it's own aswell. Everbody who is not with them and pro violence is a traitor.
Americans know all that, until few months ago they publicly called KLA a terrorist organisation.

P. S. I apologize for misspellings.


   
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 ddc
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So whats your answer Maja?
What would you like to see happen?
Is Serbia guiltless?
Only using self defense?
The greatest warrior of all time Sun Tse claims that all war starts with deception. Someone else said the first casualty is always truth.
Enough blaming, what can be done now.
I already realize we must stop the bombing, but then what?
Peace not WoD
FFFF
DdC
and I still think the cannabis/hemp growing there would help if it were used! FFFF!


   
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 maja
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Kolina, I am 22 years old and no I would not vote for Slobodan Milosevic if I was a Serbian.

I can not solve your situation, obviously. I can tell you what my aunts husband ( living in Germany ) and his brothers and sisters ( refugees in Germany for few years ) did. They were Muslims from Foca. They exchanged the houses they had for the houses in Sarajevo with Serbs. I know of another family who lived in Višnjegrad ( I might misspelled it ) and were Muslims. They also exchanged their house for the house in Mostar where they are living now. Them and the Serbs who exchanged houses with them could not live where they lived before cause of this war. But I must admit this people were lucky their houses were not destroyed.
I know of a family where a Serb husband was killed cause he rescued his Muslim wife and their daughter. They were refugees in Slovenia and I have helped them keep in contact with their family cause they didn't have a phone in the refugee camp.
All sides have suffered cause of this. You might have been hurt by Serbians, there were Serbians who were hurt by Muslims.
I might not know what war is and I am thankful for that but I have seen a lot of suffering this wars have edured on people.


   
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Bombing Evokes Mixed Feelings Among Exiles
By Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, April 6, 1999; Page A19

KUKES, Albania, April 5 – In this high mountain destination for
desperate and frightened Kosovo refugees, NATO bombing is a frequent
subject of debate.

Praise for NATO is far from unanimous. If the refugees came from a
place that was peaceful before the airstrikes began, they are more
likely to criticize NATO's action than are those who lived in a town
where government troops and police battled the Kosovo Liberation Army,
the ethnic Albanian rebel force seeking independence for the province.


And there are those refugees who criticize NATO but then are
challenged by someone in the back of the crowd. They change their
minds. It becomes suddenly clear that there is also a politically
correct answer: NATO bombing is good.

Northern Albania, after all, is a place where Kosovo's secessionist
guerrillas can be seen roaming the hills. They have set up roadblocks
to check incoming refugee vehicles for Albanians who collaborated with
Serb-led security forces. The rebels support NATO bombing.


   
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 maja
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I agree criminals on both sides must be punished. But so far there is no real evidence of Serb attrocities in Kosovo but there is a lot of evidence on American attrocities. They have killed more than 200 people for the whole world to see. Why would Serbs sit in Haag and Americans stay unpunished? If this is a war against Milosevic why are they killing the civilians? Milosevic is still alive but many of civilians have died. What about all the workers of the vacuum cleaners and irons factory that don't have a place to work anymore?
And their families? What about the 3.800 workers of the car factory that was totally destroyed yesterday? And their families. Will America feed them now? Is America prepared to pay the war damage it has done to the Serbian people? I personally plan to help those people sue America. As I plan to go to Serbia when this is over to help rebuild schools and nursery schools. What America is doing is trying to save one nation to destroy the other. If you believe they are trying to save anybody. I think they just want to occupy the whole Europe with NATO troops.
And they are not only destroying Serbian nation.
They are also destroying other countries economy.
Croatian and Slovenian turism is suffering and will continue to do even more in the summer. They have blocked the river Donava. And that's only the begining...


   
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You are incredible, Sue. First of all my country is not in Balcans. Second of all, a million of Slovenians were not killed. We only have two million people and we would have noticed a million missing, believe me. And they were not killing eachother. They killed those who sides with Nazis and gave away information on where our soldiers were fighting plus killing our people. It was better to kill one Slovenian traitor than that traitor saying the village was hiding partisans and Nazis would kill the who population of the village and burned the village itself. You don't know the suffering that was happening here.
What was Italians in 1400? You are mistaking. If we are going that far back then the whole Austria and a great part of Italy would be Slovenian. That was once a Carantania, a Slovenian state. You have a lot more to learn before you start with such statements.


   
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 maja
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Have you notice statements like: NATOs pride is at stake. American pride is at stake. We can not lose to Milosevic. If we lose this will be the end of NATO. There is almost no we have to save Albanians anymore. And there will be less and less talk abotu Albanians and more and more talk about American pride.


   
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in everybody's attention, and special to Kolina Dukic.

If one read a similar history of Kosovo written today, one would likely dismiss it as
pro-Serb propaganda. Yet this was written 12 years
ago, when Kosovo was an obscure corner of the world, and the New York Times would not
seem to have any particular interest in
defending Serbs or attacking Albanians.

It should be kept in mind that some of the charges in this article may be exaggerated or
politically motivated. Of course, the same is true of
atrocity reports that are being carried in the New York Times and other papers today.


The New York Times
November 1, 1987, Sunday, Late City Final Edition
Section 1; Part 1, Page 14, Column 1;

"In Yugoslavia, Rising Ethnic Strife Brings Fears of Worse Civil Conflict"

By DAVID BINDER, Special to the New York Times

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia

Portions of southern Yugoslavia have reached such a state of ethnic friction that Yugoslavs
have begun to talk of the horrifying
possibility of ''civil war'' in a land that lost one-tenth of its population, or 1.7 million
people, in World War II.

The current hostilities pit separatist-minded ethnic Albanians against the various Slavic
populations of Yugoslavia and occur at all
levels of society, from the highest officials to the humblest peasants.

A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping
Slavic bunkmates and wounding six
others.

The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks.
Some arsenals have been raided.

Vicious Insults

Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take
over land belonging to Serbs. And
politicians have exchanged vicious insults.

Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have
been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic
boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to
rape Serbian girls.

Ethnic Albanians comprise the fastest growing nationality in Yugoslavia and are expected
soon to become its third largest, after
the Serbs and Croats.

Radicals' Goals

The goal of the radical nationalists among them, one said in an interview, is an ''ethnic
Albania that includes western Macedonia,
southern Montenegro, part of southern Serbia, Kosovo and Albania itself.'' That includes
large chunks of the republics that make
up the southern half of Yugoslavia.

Other ethnic Albanian separatists admit to a vision of a greater Albania governed from
Pristina in southern Yugoslavia rather than
Tirana, the capital of neighboring Albania.

There is no evidence that the hard-line Communist Government in Tirana is giving them
material assistance.

The principal battleground is the region called Kosovo, a high plateau ringed by mountains
that is somewhat smaller than New
Jersey. Ethnic Albanians there make up 85 percent of the population of 1.7 million. The
rest are Serbians and Montenegrins.

Worst Strife in Years

As Slavs flee the protracted violence, Kosovo is becoming what ethnic Albanian nationalists
have been demanding for years, and
especially strongly since the bloody rioting by ethnic Albanians in Pristina in 1981 - an
''ethnically pure'' Albanian region, a
''Republic of Kosovo' ' in all but name.

The violence, a journalist in Kosovo said, is escalating to ''the worst in the last seven
years.''

Many Yugoslavs blame the troubles on the ethnic Albanians, but the matter is more
complex in a country with as many
nationalities and religions as Yugoslavia's and involves economic development, law,
politics, families and flags. As recently as 20
years ago, the Slavic majority treated ethnic Albanians as inferiors to be employed as
hewers of wood and carriers of heating coal.
The ethnic Albanians, who now number 2 million, were officially deemed a minority, not a
constituent nationality, as they are
today.

Were the ethnic tensions restricted to Kosovo, Yugoslavia's problems with its Albanian
nationals might be more manageable. But
some Yugoslavs and some ethnic Albanians believe the struggle has spread far beyond
Kosovo. Macedonia, a republic to the
south with a population of 1.8 million, has a restive ethnic Albanian minority of 350,000.

''We've already lost western Macedonia to the Albanians,'' said a member of the Yugoslav
party presidium, explaining that the
ethnic minority had driven the Slavic Macedonians out of the region.

Attacks on Slavs

Last summer, the authorities in Kosovo said they documented 40 ethnic Albanian attacks
on Slavs in two months. In the last two
years, 320 ethnic Albanians have been sentenced for political crimes, nearly half of them
characterized as severe.

In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of ethnic Albanian origin in
Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in
Prizren last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential ethnic Albanian
rapists. After his quip was reported this
October, Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed from the
Communist Party.

As a precaution, the central authorities dispatched 380 riot police officers to the Kosovo
region for the first time in four years.

Officials in Belgrade view the ethnic Albanian challenge as imperiling the foundations of the
multinational experiment called
federal Yugoslavia, which consists of six republics and two provinces.

'Lebanonizing' of Yugoslavia

High-ranking officials have spoken of the ''Lebanonizing'' of their country and have
compared its troubles to the strife in Northern
Ireland.

Borislav Jovic, a member of the Serbian party's presidency, spoke in an interview of the
prospect of ''two Albanias, one north and
one south, like divided Germany or Korea,'' and of ''practically the breakup of Yugoslavia.''
He added: ''Time is working against
us.''

The federal Secretary for National Defense, Fleet Adm. Branko Mamula, told the army's
party organization in September of
efforts by ethnic Albanians to subvert the armed forces. ''Between 1981 and 1987 a total of
216 illegal organizations with 1,435
members of Albanian nationality were discovered in the Yugoslav People's Army,'' he said.
Admiral Mamula said ethnic Albanian
subversives had been preparing for ''killing officers and soldiers, poisoning food and water,
sabotage, breaking into weapons
arsenals and stealing arms and ammunition, desertion and causing flagrant nationalist
incidents in army units.''

Concerns Over Military

Coming three weeks after the ethnic Albanian draftee, Aziz Kelmendi, had slaughtered his
Slavic comrades in the barracks at
Paracin, the speech struck fear in thousands of families whose sons were about to start
their mandatory year of military service.

Because the Albanians have had a relatively high birth rate, one-quarter of the army's
200,000 conscripts this year are ethnic
Albanians. Admiral Mamula suggested that 3,792 were potential human timebombs.

He said the army had ''not been provided with details relevant for assessing their
behavior.'' But a number of Belgrade politicians
said they doubted the Yugoslav armed forces would be used to intervene in Kosovo as they
were to quell violent rioting in 1981 in
Pristina. They reason that the army leadership is extremely reluctant to become involved
in what is, in the first place, a political
issue.

Ethnic Albanians already control almost every phase of life in the autonomous province of
Kosovo, including the police, judiciary,
civil service, schools and factories. Non-Albanian visitors almost immediately feel the
independence - and suspicion - of the ethnic
Albanian authorities.

Region's Slavs Lack Strength

While 200,000 Serbs and Montenegrins still live in the province, they are scattered and
lack cohesion. In the last seven years,
20,000 of them have fled the province, often leaving behind farmsteads and houses, for
the safety of the Slavic north.

Until September, the majority of the Serbian Communist Party leadership pursued a policy
of seeking compromise with the
Kosovo party hierarchy under its ethnic Albanian leader, Azem Vlasi.

But during a 30-hour session of the Serbian central committee in late September, the
Serbian party secretary, Slobodan Milosevic,
deposed Dragisa Pavlovic, as head of Belgrade's party organization, the country's largest.
Mr. Milosevic accused Mr. Pavlovic of
being an appeaser who was soft on Albanian radicals. Mr. Milosevic had courted the
Serbian backlash vote with speeches in
Kosovo itself calling for ''the policy of the hard hand.''

''We will go up against anti-Socialist forces, even if they call us Stalinists,'' Mr. Milosevic
declared recently. That a Yugoslav
politician would invite someone to call him a Stalinist even four decades after Tito's
epochal break with Stalin, is a measure of the
state into which Serbian politics have fallen. For the moment, Mr. Milosevic and his
supporters appear to be staking their careers
on a strategy of confrontation with the Kosovo ethnic Albanians.

Other Yugoslav politicians have expressed alarm. ''There is no doubt Kosovo is a problem
of the whole country, a powder keg on
which we all sit,'' said Milan Kucan, head of the Slovenian Communist Party.

Remzi Koljgeci, of the Kosovo party leadership, said in an interview in Pristina that
''relations are cold'' between the ethnic
Albanians and Serbs of the province, that there were too many ''people without hope.''

But many of those interviewed agreed it was also a rare opportunity for Yugoslavia to take
radical political and economic steps, as
Tito did when he broke with the Soviet bloc in 1948.

Efforts are under way to strengthen central authority through amendments to the
constitution. The League of Communists is
planning an extraordinary party congress before March to address the country's grave
problems.

The hope is that something will be done then to exert the rule of law in Kosovo while
drawing ethnic Albanians back into
Yugoslavia's mainstream.

Copyright 1987 The New York Times Company


ACTION ALERT: If you agree that the background in this article is important for a complete
understanding of the Kosovo crisis, please
pass this post on to others. You might also contact media outlets and ask that they present
a fuller picture of the background to the
conflict. The New York Times may be reached at:

Letters to the editor
letters@nytimes.com

Adam Clymer, Washington Correspondent
adclym@nytimes.com

Contact information for other media outlets may be found at:
www.fair.org/media-contact-list.html


   
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 maja
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NATO officials are saying: We are hitting Slobodan Milosevic and we are hitting him hard, reports CNN.

I watch television. I see Milosevic still alive. Not all Serbs were that lucky. I asume Milosevic still has a roof over his head. Not all Serbs were that lucky. Milosevic still has a job. Not all Serbs were that lucky cause Clinton destroyed their work places.


   
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 ddc
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WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE
Peter Paul & Mary

(Pete Seeger)
Fallriver Music Corp.-BMI

Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing?
Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Young girls have picked them everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh when will they ever learn?

Where have all the young girls gone, long time passing?
Where have all the young girls gone, long time ago?
Where have all the young girls gone,
Gone for husbands everyone.
Oh when will they every learn?
Oh when will they ever learn?

Where have all the husbands gone, long time passing?
Where have all the husbands gone, long time ago?
Where have all the husbands gone,
Gone for soldiers everyone
Oh when will they ever learn?
Oh when will they ever learn.

Where have all the soldiers gone, long time passing?
Where have all the soldiers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they every learn?
Oh when will they ever learn?

Where have all the graveyards gone, long time passing?
Where have all the graveyards gone, lone time ago?
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Gone to flowers, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh when will they ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing?
Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Young girls have picked them everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh when will they ever learn?

Peace Ya'all,
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 ddc
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BLOWIN' IN THE WIND
Bob Dylan


How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes & how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes & how many times must the cannonballs fly
Before they're forever banned?

D - - - / G - - - / D - - - / / D - - - / G - - - / D - - - / A - - - /
D - - - / G - - - / D - - - / Bm - - - / D - - - / G - - - / A - - - / /
D - - - / G - - - / D - - - / / D - - - / G - - - / D - - - / A - - - //

C: The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind

G - - - / A - - - / D - - - / G - - - / / A - - - / D - - - / //

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes & how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes & how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see?

C: The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes & how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes & how many deaths will take til he knows
That too many people have died?

C: The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind


Peace not WoD
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DdC


   
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 ddc
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Maybe You're Right



(Words and Music by Cat Stevens)


C D Eb em F G
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G. . . |C. ..|
Now maybe you're right

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And maybe you're wrong

C . . . |G . . .
But I ain't gonna argue with you no more

|F . . C|....|
I've done it for too long__


G. . . |C.
It was gettin' so good

. . |D.. . |em...|
Why then, where did it go?

C.. . |G . . . |
I_ can't think about it no more

F . . C|....|
Tell me if you know__


G.. . |C.
You were loving me

..|D.. . |em...|
I_ was loving you

C .. . |G . . . |
But now there ain't nothing but regretting

C... |G . . . |
Nothing, nothing but regretting

F. . C|....|G...|Eb...|D...|em...|C...|G...|F..C|....|
Everything we do____


G . . . |C. .
I put up with your lie

. |D.. . |em. ..|
Like you put up with mine

C . ..
But God knows

|G . . . |
We should have stopped somewhere

F . . . |C...|
We could have taken the time


G. . . |C. .
The time has turned

. |D. . . |em...|
Yes some call it the end

C . .. |G . . . |
So tell me, tell me did you really love me

C.. .|G... |
Like a friend?


C. . . |G . .. |
You know you don't have to pretend

C.. . |G .. .|
It's all over now

C.. . |G . .
It'll never happen again

. |C ..
No-no-no

. |G . . .|
It'll never happen again

C. .. |G . . .|
It won't happen again

C.. .|G. . . |
Never- never-never

C.. . |G . . .|
It'll never happen again

F. . C|. . . . |G...|Eb...|D...|em...|C...|G...|F..C|....|
No-no-no-no-no_-no-no-no-no-no


G. . . |C. ..|
So maybe you're right

D. . . |em.. .|
And maybe you're wrong

C . . . |G . . .
But I ain't gonna argue with you no more

|F . . C|....|
I've done it for too long__


G. . . |C.
It was getting so good

. . |D.. . |em...|
Why then where did it go?

C.. . |G . . . |
I_ can't think about it no more

F . . C|....|
Tell me if you know__


G.. . |C.
You were loving me

..|D.. . |em...|
I_ was loving you

C .. . |G . . . |
But now there ain't nothing but regretting

C... |G . . . |
Nothing, nothing but regretting

F. . C|....|
Everything we do____

G...|Eb...|D...|em...|C...|G...|F..C|....|F..C|....|G..^||


   
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