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 maja
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Sorry Jack, I am a lawyer not public relations scum. Maybe James Rubin would invite you. Here is a letter from your fellow American. Is she on the Milosevic paylist aswell?


   
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 maja
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SAVE SERBIA, SAVE AMERICA



The U.S. government continues a massive propaganda campaign aimed at good
and disbelieving Americans to justify its war against our long-time ally,
Yugoslavia.

I am one of those Americans. And I still have questions.




Mr. Clinton, you keep wagging your finger at Yugoslavia to obey
international law. Isn't everything you are doing in violation of those
laws?

Now that your recklessness has resulted in the capture of three American
soldiers, you drag out the Geneva Convention. Well, Mr. Clinton, you have
been violating the Geneva Convention every day for 11 days. From the first
day of bombings, you have been targeting civilian areas. Last night in
Belgrade you targeted an area with a maternity hospital. Among your victims
in the city of Nis are Bosnian Serb women and children. They were killed in
an international refugee center only 300 feet from your intended target.

You are using cluster bombs. Mr. Clinton, have you ever read the Geneva
Convention? Those are illegal weapons.

You are targeting and destroying Europe's historical monuments. The
medieval monasteries and churches you are bombing in Kosovo are UNESCO
protected, Mr. Clinton. The part of Belgrade you are bombing now is not only
one of its most densely populated, it is its oldest. You are aiming at old
architecture, libraries, and museums.

You have bombed schools, hospitals, civilian factories. You intentionally
destroyed a bridge rebuilt after World War II to commemorate Jews and Serbs
murdered at that same spot by fascist invaders. Is this your bridge to the
21st century?




Mr. Clinton, do you really expect us to believe that your bombing of Kosovo
is not the cause of the humanitarian catastrophe there? On the very first
day you bombed a town [Djakovica] which was 98% Albanian and flooded with
60,000 refugees. Writing about the lies of this war, the Sunday Times of
London reported:

"[Mirvei], a tall Albanian woman clutching her four-month-old baby, looked
bewildered when asked if Serbian troops had driven her out. 'There were no
Serbs,' she said. 'We were frightened of the bombs.'"

So, Mr. Clinton, what else are you lying about?




The State Department said that Albanian leaders were being executed. Then
Mr. Rugova and Mr. Agani turned up alive. It was a lie.

The State Department told us a stadium in Pristina was being used as a
concentration camp for ethnic Albanians. A western reporter went there and
found....it was a lie.

The State Department now is screaming "show us the missing Albanian men!"
Well, if you read news agencies like the Associated Press, Mr. Clinton,
you'd know they're being forcibly conscripted by the KLA at borders as they
try to flee your bombs.

Mr. Clinton, you probably need to explain to Americans the source of all the
horrible information you are passing out: a KLA commando known as "The
Snake" [Hashim Thaci]. And despite all the proof that he is unreliable, you
continue to broadcast his propaganda to us.

I'm wondering, Mr. Clinton, how long have you been lying to us?




Let's take the tale of Racak, for example. You started this war by
repeating over and over horrendous claims about this incident made only by a
single "unnamed source" in the Washington Post and specifically,
categorically, denied by Helen Ranta, the head of the Finnish forensic team.
The U.S. has suppressed the results of the Finnish report for weeks. Why
was it not published immediately, and why has it still not been published in
its entirety? I think it must incriminate the KLA. It must incriminate Mr.
Clinton's Ambassador William Walker, a veteran of Iran-Contra and Central
American massacres.

Mr. Clinton, you like to talk about genocide and massacres. Then why don't
you tell us about the remains of 22 Serbian civilians found in a KLA
crematorium at Klecka last August. Or the 39 civilian bodies dredged from a
river at Glodjane last September, Serbs and Albanians all murdered by the KLA.

Mr. Clinton, why don't you tell us more about the KLA?




The KLA is not fighting for human rights and democracy, is it? They silence
dissent by assassinating Kosovo Albanian citizens who disagree with them.
Just since the so-called cease-fire last October, they have murdered 82
Albanians. Last month alone they killed 15 times more of their own people
than they did Serbian policemen.

One must ask, Mr. Clinton, why does the KLA find it necessary to murder so
many of the very people it claims to be liberating?




In fact, the KLA is not a liberation army, it is a violent international
heroin cartel. Mr. Clinton, why don't you explain that to us?

The very day you started dropping bombs on the Serbs, The Times of London
reported:

"THE Kosovo Liberation Army, which has won the support of the West for
its guerrilla struggle... is a Marxist-led force funded by dubious sources,
including drug money. "

But you already knew this. In 1985 the Wall Street Journal estimated
that Kosovo Albanians moved 25 percent to 45 percent of the total U.S. heroin
supply. In 1996 your own U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration reported:

"...ethnic Albanians from Serbia's Kosovo Province were considered to
be second only to Turkish groups as the predominant heroin smugglers along the
Balkan Route ... Kosovan traffickers were noted for their use of violence
and for
their involvement in international weapons trafficking."

Those words are on record at the U.S. Department of Justice, Mr. Clinton.
Can you explain to us why you are risking American lives for the drug mafia?




Mr. Clinton, you seem frustrated that Americans just don't understand enough
history and geography to understand what you are doing.

Well, I know the history of the term "ethnic cleansing." I quote from the
New York Times, July 12, 1982:

"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform...
first to establish what they call an
ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger
with Albania to form a greater Albania. "

These words were spoken by [Becir Hoti] an Albanian member of the Communist
Party of Kosovo. At the time this was reported, at least 57,000 Serbs had
already been forced out of Kosovo. "Ethnically clean." 1982. Why weren't
we told then, Mr. Clinton?






If you want Americans to understand history, Mr. Clinton, why don't you tell
us the part about how Yugoslavia lost 10% of her population fighting the
Nazis? 1.7 million lives lost, 1.4 million of them civilian. They died to
save a world you have made miserable only 50 years later.

Tell us about how the Serbs saved 981 U.S. airmen shot down over occupied
Yugoslavia. Read to us the letter from a veteran of the largest
behind-the-lines rescue in our history. Retired Air Force Major Richard
Felman pleaded with you:

"Where is America's sense of honor, decency and gratitude to those on
foreign soil who saved American lives? Do we return their sacrifice and
kindness by killing them? It appears to our shame that the answer is 'yes.'"

What have we come to? Mr. Clinton, our children should be learning history
and geography in decent schools, not from your war room.




Finally, I want you to tell the truth about who created this crisis. Mr.
Clinton, you have explained that Kosovo is strategic because "it sits on a
major fault line between Europe, Asia and the Middle East." In fact, isn't
it so strategic that the U.S. government has been working to occupy the
Balkans for over a decade? Do you not think it would interest the American
people that U.S. legislation began the break-up of Yugoslavia in 1990?
Legislation the CIA warned you would cause civil wars? Please tell us
again, Mr. Clinton: Who has been pouring gasoline on the flames of ethnic
division?

There are many countries with venal, perverse, third-rate leaders, but Mr.
Clinton, you are the only one among them who is actually threatening the
world.




The real moral imperative is for Americans to understand that it is not
Serbia which is destabilizing the Balkans, it is the U.S. government.

The real moral imperative is for Americans to understand the cost in lives,
our own and those of all the people victimized by Yugoslavia's destruction,
seven years of deadly sanctions, and now American bombs.

My forefathers helped found this country and are veterans of every American
war. I stand up for them and I stand up for the people of Yugoslavia. What
we are doing breaks my heart.

This war is about America and Americans must stop it.

Save our allies the Serbs! Save Yugoslavia! Save America!


   
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(@jacklondon)
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Oh No !

A lawyer!

Maja is a lawyer!

A Serb-lover and a lawyer !

Which one is worse?

There is no hope.


   
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 maja
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Not to be so morbid and talking war all the time, wanna exchange lawyers jokes?
Oh no, they are all morbid aswell. LOL


   
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 ed
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Maja, here's one for you...it was a really cold winter here..so cold that I saw a lawyer with his hand in his own pocket!

I am seeing reports now of British commandos in Kosovo, I don't know why...Maja, what are your feelings about Milosevic himself...I want your opinion...it seems that the US now will never trust him, therefore no agreement would ever be valid as long as he remains as head of the government...so we won't talk, we bomb instead, and innocents on every side suffer...there seems to be no way out so long as he remains in power...do you see any way out?


   
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 dan
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Maja,

Here is a good lawyer site for you.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/kosovo.htm #Crimes

Others may want to go there also.


   
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Stephanie

exactly right. If they had nothing to hide, then why aren't WESTERN journalist allowed in? Also, why are there videos smuggled out with serb forces going into albanians houses?

You guys can keep saying oh how innocent the serbs are and we are a sovereign nation and all that, but the fact is....you messed up, you got caught, now the whole western (civilized) world is gonna make you stop.


   
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 sue
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Jack,
That was really not nice language.....what you should of told Mexican soldier is
Come mierde y muerte.
I know my spelling is bad but it's been a long time.
It is one of my favorite mexican sayings that I learned on a trip in high school.


   
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TO JACK.

Hi there i got your message about the nasty remarks unfortunately too late.Yes these remarks where sickning.But probably they kick on it.I have no other idea.
Bedankt voor je fax dat is in ieder geval wel iets wat leuk was en aangezien het hier in Holland bedtime is ga ik met deze gedachte maar proberen te slapen.I read these message to be honest the tears are rolling down my face.Yes i better say it openly cause they who write such ucly things atleast can't say im open although they will keep trying. LET THEM THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO I THINK.

nog bedankt en ik hoop dat we contact kunnen houden,Ik zou het in ieder geval erg op prijs stellen.
Aardige mensen kom je hier niet snel tegen.

Goodnight Kolina Dukic


   
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Does anyone know what the russians have done? I know they sent ships, but are they giving arms to the serbs are they trying to negotiate, what?


   
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Sam B

B92 was shut down. Exactly right....what are they afraid of? That we will find out they didn't really shoot down 4 more planes?


   
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 jo
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hello


   
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(@kelliep)
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does anyone know about the russian situation?


   
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(@rosie)
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Message to Maja......Your comments below......
By Maja on Saturday, April 10, 1999 - 11:42 pm:

Americans will be, but not running, dying as rats if they dare to come on the Serbian soil.
You might have arms... but all the other advantages are on their side. Vietnam will look
like a sunny day in the park compared to this.

Honestly you are a real "budala" just like your leader.


   
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(@jacklondon)
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THE RUSSIAN SITUATION

Kellie,

NATO needs Russia (and vice versa).
Neither want this to escalate.

But NATO moved against Serbia without
involving the Russians
(It could not have happened any other way).
In doing so NATO hurt Russia's image
and Yeltsin's popularity at home.
Maksim says 70% support for military action against NATO.

But in the meantime
NATO has achieved its primary objective
... the destruction of the warmachine
that has been causing so much damage
in the region since the early 1990's.
Destabilizing the Balkans
and a threat to Western European assets.

Using NATO, the Western Europeans and the US
effectively made the Serbian army
a DEFENSIVE force - no longer capable of
OFFENDING against its neighbors.

But the job did not end there,
because the world now demands
that the Kosovars be allowed back into their country
with due protection against the Serbs.

Problem is - if NATO troops are used
then you'll have Serbs and Russians screaming "occupation".
Conspiracy-freaks will have an orgasm.


Since NATO has no interest
in occupying Kosovo, their tactic is
to bomb the Serbs to their knees
and then allow them to "save face" as they
return to Beograd, by not sending NATO troops.

It is very likely that we'll soon see Georgian
andRussian troops protecting Kosovars,
under the supervision of NATO monitors.
(This will help Russia earn its way
into the ranks of NATO). WOW !

Contrary to what Maksim says above
(and I respect his opinion)
I think if the Russians manage to get the role
of the policeman in Kosovo, this will make
Yeltsin a VERY POPULAR person - AGAIN.
The WEST wants Yeltsin to stay in power.

Timing is critical in all this.
NATO must bomb Serbs just enough to break them,
not kill them.
Unlike the Serbs, NATO works at limiting collateral dammage.
It happens, but on a very small scale compared to the Serb Police actions.

I think we are nearing the point
where Russia will "make a stand",
and "force" NATO to stop the bombing, or else ...
NATO will "subject itself to the Russian threat"
and the Russians will take the role of policeman.

I estimate this will happen WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
The harsh rethoric will be for public consumption.


What do you think?


   
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