https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/ Disaster Message Service Discussion Board en-US Sun, 03 May 2026 18:44:02 +0000 wpForo 60 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4940 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:01:00 +0000 you may or may not already know this but the title of "it cant happen here", off the 1st mothers lp, actually came from a book popular around the same time, therefore even earlier than that lp cut.
see ya!]]> Kosovo War L'menexe https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4940 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4939 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:14:00 +0000
I watched this hillariously insane film last night called "Mars Attacks" and was reminded of this little story someone had emailed me. Hope it gives you a few good laughs to start the week with.

tommygunns

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IMAGINE

a short story for our time

Imagine, if you will, the leader of the fifth invader force speaking to the commander in chief . . .

"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars."

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the Orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take too long. Do you have any idea of the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the Weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads like the Weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!"

"So... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Finally, Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"So what does the meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the universe, contact other sentients, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat?"

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there? Anyone home?' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"

"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat! This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in the quadrant, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say?" `Hello, meat. How's it going? But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you have probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we can mark this sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the universe would be if one were all alone in it."


JUST IMAGINE!]]> Kosovo War tommygunns https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4939 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4938 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:07:00 +0000
In your imagination, do the following:

Take a feather pillow and a sharp knife into a high tower on a windy day. Next, cut the pillow open and shake the feathers into the wind.
Now go and gather up every one of those feathers.

Can't do it? Neither can you recall angry and hasty words posted on this board.]]> Kosovo War pete https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4938 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4937 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:05:00 +0000
I mentioned in a post a while back that the only way there will be peace in Kosovo is for the cycle of retaliation and revenge currently going on to be broken. And the way I see it, there are only two ways this is going to happen: 1) A strong authoritarian government maintaining the peace by force of arms and strong armed enforcement of laws as in the Roman empire, or 2) Jesus of Nazareth ruling in the hearts (spirits) and minds of men. When people invite Jesus to take an active place in their life, He changes them from the inside out to make them like Himself. Maybe not all at once, but the more they yield their lives to Him, the more like Him they become. I don't claim to have arrived, but then God isn't finished with me yet, either.

Problem with 1) is that authoritarian rule can only go so far before it incites rebellion in men's hearts, then you have incidents like Tiennamen Square where such rebellion is put down with ruthless force.

Problem with 2) is that there is a devil roaming around the earth deceiving people and blinding their minds to the truth, so that they will try everything but Jesus. And I believe this is why there is so much strife and discord in the world today.

I know there are those who will disagree with me, and there are those who will cite atrocities by the church in the middle ages. For the latter I point out that being a member of a church does not make one a Christian, any more than having an account at a garage makes one an automobile. True Christianity is a personal, one on one relationship between the individual and Jesus Himself, all else is empty religion. For the rest, if you don't believe the above you will just have to disagree.]]> Kosovo War pete https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4937 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4936 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:28:00 +0000
Zoja, you point out a serious shortcoming many posters have. They don't seem to be able to identify with the feelings and sentiments of other posters (and I include myself amongst the guilty.) Some of us tend to be too emotional, others too analytical (cold and distant.)

In all fairness though, the boards in general are so filled with 'flamers' that it's hard to quickly get a feel for posters and so the ones who are truly in distress and who have difficulty expressing themselves (possibly because English is not their primary language) become marginalized and we as readers and posters fail to connect with them.

Of course nothing can substitute for good manners. Returning a slight with a kindness is hard to do particularly in the heights of passionate argument. But I believe we become better able to express ourselves by saying what we mean without the harsh words that interfere with meaning and throw our readers off message. When we use harsh words we will never cause anyone to take us seriously let alone rethink their own position. phil]]> Kosovo War philtr https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/3/#post-4936 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4935 Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:57:00 +0000

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Veton Surroi (Koha ditore, Aug. 18, page 1; translated from Albanian):
The Major Kosovo Albanian Daily - (The Daily Times)

THE BELLS OF SHAME

An old woman, beaten to death in her bathtub. A 2-year-old child wounded while its mother is murdered. Two kids killed by grenade launchers. A woman who does not dare to give her name in public because she is afraid that those who tried to violate her will knock on her door again.
These are Serbs during the last four weeks. These are the quiet people, locked in their flats, scared to death, living in an atmosphere
where every sound seems a threat, where every car that stops might take you away to your death. Add the old couple, pensioned off long ago, who
have nothing to eat and are afraid to go to the market to buy food because their deficient Albanian would be noticed. Add to this that they
also have no food because their neighbours are afraid even to buy food for them, having been warned not to "feed Serbs".

I know how the Serbs feel these last four weeks, because I and nearly two million other Albanians have been there before them. Not to mention
the Roma who also are persecuted on openly racist grounds. I recognize their feelings: Every car that stopped before our doors was a potential
danger; every sound was the announcement of inevitable death; from our Serbian neighbours, little or no help could be expected; the radio told us that the Serbian government had given its units the right to kill automatically, at will, anybody, even children and old people. I cannot
hide my shame that now, for the first time in Kosovar history, I must learn that Kosovar Albanians are able to commit monstrous crimes. I
cannot be silent. I have to speak out and say that for us as a nation it is a reason for great anxiety that for the first time, even the most
basic rule of our moral code has been broken: the rule that children, women and old people are inviolable. I know the defence everybody puts
forward automatically: that we have passed through a barbaric war in which Serbs were responsible for the most heinous crimes and in which the intensity of violence has left a thirst for revenge in a part of the Albanian people. But this is no justification. We have seen the flight of those Serbs who had served their rulers and used every kind of violence against Albanians, of those Serbs who had to fear the revenge of the Albanians who now had to open the graves of their families. But
the violence to-day, two months after the arrival of NATO forces, is not only an emotional reaction. We are faced with an organized system - or with organized systems - of violence, a spiral of violence against the Serbs; and we are faced with a thinking behind this violence which holds that every Serb must be punished for what happened in Kosova. This thinking is called fascism. This is the thinking against which the people of Kosova stood up in ten years of fighting against Milosevic.

This is the thinking against which, in the last phase of the battle, the KLA had to appear to show that the Albanian people of Kosova was ready
even to take up arms in its struggle.

The Serbian victims to-day and their life in danger and fear, the threat against their community, are a shame not only for a small part of our people. This ignominy we will have to bear collectively, it will dishonour us all, who only some months ago flooded the television screens all over the world with our sufferings. It will dishonour even the Albanian victims of Kosova, those children, women and old people who have been killed only because they were Albanians.

The others, Europeans and Americans, will not blame us because we did not defend a "multiethnic Kosova". After all, even before the war, Kosova was just as multiethnic as Slovenia; and who is talking about a multiethnic Slovenia? But they will accuse us that from being the victims of the greatest persecution at the end of this European century we so very easily changed into those that allowed (and comparative numbers or intensity are of no importance here) that others also are
persecuted in Kosova, that fascism is repeated.

And they will be right. And those who believe that this will stop with the leaving of the Serbs will be undeceived. It will be the turn of the Albanians again, but this time as victims of other Albanians.

Is this what we fought for?

Veton Surroi]]> Kosovo War philtr https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4935 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4934 Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:12:00 +0000
tommygunns


ASS-ICONS

FOR AMUSEMENT ONLY. NOT TO BE USED AS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!


>> (_!_) a regular ass
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>> (__!__) a fat ass
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>> (!) a tight ass
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>> (_^^_) a bubble ass
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>> (_*_) a sore ass
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>> (_!__) a lop-sided ass
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>> {_!_} a swishy ass
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>> (_o_) an ass that's been around
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>> (_O_) ass that's been around even more
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>> (_x_) kiss my ass
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>> (_X_) leave my ass alone
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>> (_zzz_) a tired ass
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>> (_o^^o_) a wise ass
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>> (_13_) an unlucky ass
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>> (_?_) a dumb ass]]> Kosovo War tommygunns https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4934 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4933 Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:04:00 +0000
"Your obviously not aware of it, but in the end of the eighties beginning ninethees there were
people marching in the streets of Sarajevo. And we had a strong underground movement. I tell you
this ONLY 6 of us me one of them are still alive.It was not media covered back then cause people simply didn't care a ••••!"

Yes, I am aware of what happened in the late eighties. I've done a great deal of research and reading. A lot has changed since that time and I am refering to the present. The US/Nato powers have managed to divide and conquer Yugoslavia - today there are insignificant ethnic minorities in Slovenia and Croatia; Bosnia is a UN/Nato protectorate divided into three seperate ethnic enclaves; Kosovo is nearly ethnically cleansed of all non-Albanians.

No, I haven't been to Bosnia. There are many places in the world I haven't been. There are also many I have been to. It isn't necessary to have been everywhere in order to understand how the world works. I have a passion for geography, history, politics, and international relations and make an effort to educate myself and keep up with current events around the world.

As I mentioned to your sister in an earlier post, you and she are personally involved in the Balkan tragedy. I understand and sympathize with you and what you've lost. By circumstance, I'm not emotionally involved. I view the break-up of Yugoslavia from a broad historical perspective. I do not support, am not pro, any of the leaders, factions, groups now operating there. There are no "good-guys", but there are plenty of "bad-guys" - "little bad-guys" like Milosevic, Thaci, Kucan, Izbetzegovic, et. al., and some "REALLY BIG bad-guys". It's the latter that concern me. They fiddle while Rome burns, but it is the ordinary people like you who suffer.

I'm tempted to post an excellent analysis of the Balkan wars, but I'll heed Zoja's advice about long articles (for now - :>)). If you like, you can download it from

www.wsws.org

It's titled: AFTER THE SLAUGHTER: POLITICAL LESSONS OF THE BALKAN WAR. I must warn you, it's long and can put most people to sleep, but it nevertheless is (in my opinion) and accurate picture.

There are many points made in my posts and questions asked that haven't been responded to. Can I assume that everyone agrees with those points? )))))))))))

Re: Thaci. I'm still working on finding some background information on him. He seems to have appeared out of nowhere at Ramboulette, but since I don't believe in ghosts or spirits I'll keep searching. At least I know where Ceku was before Kosovo. I'm checking on Selim too.

Re: S.U.C. - I'm still searching their site for pro-Milosevic evidence. I've found quite a bit of pro-Serb/Serbia, pro-Yugoslavia, and anti-NATO stuff, but so far nothing specifically pro-Milosevic.

BTW - a lot has been said about Milosevic's speech at Kosovo Polje in 1989. There's nothing like getting information straight from the horses mouth, rather than relying on CNN's or NYT's interpretation. With that in mind, I found the following:

MILOSEVIC'S SPEECH AT KOSOVO FIELD IN 1989
by Jared Israel

located at: www.emperors-clothes.com

The speech comes from a direct U.S. Dept. of Commerce transcript.

tommygunns
"Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters"]]> Kosovo War tommygunns https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4933 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4932 Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:27:00 +0000 Btw its obvious you never lived or been to Bosnia. otherwise you would know it is still multiethnic only all groups are sabotaged and artificially separted still.

Emina]]> Kosovo War emina https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4932 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4931 Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:54:00 +0000
T'gunn, about the only thing international about this group is their names and place of birth (except for Radakovich.)

Let's see:

1) Milosh D. Milenkovich, President...initial career was in the metal working industry now practices mainly in the area of civil law. Mr. Milenkovich lives in Cleveland,

2) Ron Radakovich, Executive Vice President
former Vice-President of Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation...is currently the Vice-President of the Serbian Orthodox Church-Western American Diocese, Walnut Creek, California,

3) Michael Djordjevich, Vice President
is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Capital Guarantee Corp,in San Francisco,

4) Nick Petrovich, Past President...work(ed) with Monsanto Chemical Company...In 1972 he started his own financial consulting...in Mexico City,

5) Nikola P. Kostich, Vice President...is a well-known trial attorney, partner in the law firm of Styler, Kostich, LeBeII, Dobroski & McGuire in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

6) Dr. Vojin Joksimovich, Past President is...the President and Chief Executive Officer of Accident Prevention Group, Inc. (APG) in San Diego, Ca.,

Mining, chemicals, insurance, finance, law and pro Milosevic too. Now what's going on here?

phil]]> Kosovo War philtr https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-august-23-1999/paged/2/#post-4931