Archive through June 8, 2000 - Kosovo War

tgunns — Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:43:00 +0000

..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..- ..-

URGENT CALL-OUT TO NICHOLAS

THE LADY IS LOOKING FOR SOME CONTROVERSY

PLEASE ASSIST

OVER & OUT

-.. -.. -.. -.. -.. -.. -.. -..

-- T'gunns

suitboy — Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:39:00 +0000

Kim,

I'd love to have a discussion, even a rip-roaring controversial one (those are the best), but I really don't have the time right now. I'm up at 6:00AM, back home about 7:00PM, read the mail, have a bite (sometimes I cook), take care of personal business (pay bills, do laundry, clean house, etc. - all those mundane activities that keep me in the human race (sort of), and believe me, it is a race living in America -- my favorite "revealing" bumper sticker is "Americans are driven to work". It's true, we work harder and longer than any other peoples, and what for? It doesn't get most people anywhere, just running to stay in the same place. Yeah, it's crazy. What can I say, except that we Americans have allowed a culture of madness to take hold and the "system" has taken on a life of it's own driving us all insane. Enough! Enough!

and then I read:

>> Wot iym seying like, iz like, U orl agre wid eech-udder, so like ders no descushion ere.

Iz dat luckin for controvissy???? <<

...and I'm thinking maybe you're crazy!!

:O) :O) :O) :O) :O) :O) :O) :O) :O)

-- suitboy

kimarx — Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:34:00 +0000

T'gunns,

Wot iym seying like, iz like, U orl agre wid eech-udder, so like ders no descushion ere.

Iz dat luckin for controvissy????

Kim

PS You had a discussion last year and don't feel like doing it over again- Am I understanding you correctly? OK, back to Russia, then

L'menexe — Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:29:00 +0000

M'sieu G....

Williams, one of the two remaining major
manufacturers of pinball machines
has thrown in the towel in regards to pinball
machines.

and no more weekly taco-bell-and-pinball at the
mall pour moi; the pinball machines at the vidgame
place have been replaced by more 'contemporary'
vidgames...

yeah, i know, more serious discussions here;
'sokay, another will be along real soon.

tgunns — Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:13:00 +0000

Kim,

Aha! I get it now. YOU are looking for controversy, and I'm suppose to supply the catalyst. Is that it?

Normally, I'd jump on it. But, alas, at the moment I haven't the time - working on a fast-track software project and only have a little time to do all my normal web stuff, mostly only on week-ends.

>> Don't talk to me about semantic subleties.

OK, then; it wasn't a "subtle" difference between what I wrote and what you understood. Rather, you misunderstood what I wrote or, perhaps, read it the way you wanted to understand it. Either way, it obvious.

OK? How's that? Better? No subtle semantics.

>> What's all this about intellectual Whores? <<

That was in reference to Jared Israel's article about Susan Sontag, wherein he takes aim at elitist American intellectuals who slobbered all over themselves supporting the US-led NATO aggression on Yugoslavia and how they have become little more than prostitutes for the empire.

"cheeky bench", eh? Close enough to "fiesty little scrapper" to indicate that Mr. "L" and myself may have a similar perspective going here.

ciao,

t'gunns

BTW - I don't take these forums too seriously anymore. The internet is NOT real life. I enjoy playing with words and ideas, so it's just an amusement. Nothing more. Sure beats television, or pinball machines!

kimarx — Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:48:00 +0000

Hello, Mr Gunns,

Thank you , thank you, >Takes a Bow<

Yes , well your response, three(?) months ago seemed pretty final. Re the UN. So I went away to search some other opinions. Still searching, no consensus found. So maybe you should tell me more.
Hey think of it as evangelism.

June 1999 ?- I guess there's nothing for it but to search the DMS archives then. Thanks for the Clue.

Now please, stiring up something controversial, would or would it not give you controversy. Don't
talk to me about semantic subleties.

As L'menexe would say I'm a cheeky Bench- so don't take it to heart.

What's all this about intellectual Whores?

Kim

tgunns — Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:11:00 +0000

i be quick
it's already past midnight & 6:00AM comes fast enough.

L'men - you are such a chivalrous and noble gentleman where the ladies in distress are concerned; so Lancelot-like, shall we dub you "Sir L'menex"? :O) :O)

Kim Arx - fiesty little scrapper, aren't ya?

Controversy? Did I say I wanted controversy? No, I don't think so. What I DID write was:

"hmmmmmm, i suppose that if i put my mind to
it, i'm sure i could stir up something
controversial -- but at the moment i just
don't feel like it."

Subtle difference there.

>> I suppose I asked you too indirectly before to give me a synopsis of the discussions that went on last year. >>

Are you referring to a question you asked me about 2-3 months ago? . . . which I answered then heard no more of you until now.

>> In what way was Daniela's friend vindicated? >>

In light of subsequent events and revelations in and about Kosovo since June of 1999, much of what Nick wrote during the spring and early summer bombing of Yugoslavia, for which he was unfairly attacked, has been proven correct. A review of the archives juxtaposed against the reality of what was happening on the ground will clarify it for you.

>> Oh yes, whilst I'm here, any comments on Clinton's speach to the Duma? <<

No. I don't pay much attention to anything he says. His actions are gross enough. I only hope the Russians have wised-up enough not to believe him either.

Daniela - did you get a chance to read Jared's article about the "intellectual whores of the empire"? It's always amazing how (so-called) intellectuals are so frequently duped and manipulated into the service of power. Not very intelligent, is it?

. . . and that's how it goes on Tuesday, June 6th in the first year of the third millenium on the 3rd rock from the Sun. :O)

peace

kimarx — Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:02:00 +0000

Thanks Daniela,

I guess that is what I am trying to do.

Controversy you want, Mr.Gunns.
Ha, well, I guess there wouldn't be much chance of that, with you and Daniela in complete agreement and L'menexe sitting on the fence.(no offence and no pun intended L.).

I suppose I asked you too indirectly before to give me a synopsis of the discussions that went on last year. In what way was Daniela's friend vindicated?

Oh yes, whilst I'm here, any comments on Clinton's speach to the Duma?

Kim

L'menexe — Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:03:00 +0000

Yo Baby Yo!

nice, or should i say neat to see yiz,
m'sieu.
my feeling is that an imbalance was forming, i.e.
'daniela vs. everyone else'.
mind you, not that the lady can't hold her own,
but i was coming close to doing the armor n' sword
routine on _her_ behalf, which would surely have
amused .

as it was toi and moi who more-or-less greeted her
upon her return a few months ago, it just wouldnt
do to now watch her get slammed.

i _don't_ have to agree note-for-note
w/individuals whom i respect.
i'd do well to remember that.

so hey, please pass through any ol' time...not
_too_ much later, 'kay?

tgunns — Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:59:00 +0000

i, t'gunns, come
offering
peace, love, and bliss
to all
from
the City of St. Francis.

got granola, anyone?
:O) :O)

~:O) oh, no! it's mr. bill!!

for the record, i did stop by last night and took note of the cat fights (spill over from the ruski forum?). i wrote ya'll a looooong "can't we all just get along" message with a looooooong "listen to mommy " admonishment, but when i tried to post it dms's server went down and all my beautiful words were lost (weep, sigh).

what a surprise to return tonight and find you falling all over each other making up (sort of). :O) :O)

but if we're all gonna be nice to each other, what on earth will we talk (write) about??????? He, he.
hmmmmmm, i suppose that if i put my mind to it, i'm sure i could stir up something controversial -- but at the moment i just don't feel like it. maybe in a few days. i had my mouth sliced, diced, and stitched up last week. right now it's stuffed with 'silly putty' and some horrendous plastic and wire contraption, so i'm not feeling quite myself yet. er, uh, not exactly true. i'm kind of feeling my 'goofy' self, but not the combative self.

daniela, you go girl! :O) my regards to nicholas and make note that events in kosovo have given proof to his posts last year. ah, vindication, how sweet it is, eh?

did you read the jared israel article on susan sontag? very, very good. well written and oh so true. i especially like his reference to her as prostituting herself for the empire. ho, ho, ho.

gotta go. sunday paper is here with the crossword puzzle. it's what i live for these days (the sunday crossword) -- kinda sad, isn't it? jeeez, t'gunns, get a life!

later