https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/ Disaster Message Service Discussion Board en-US Wed, 29 Apr 2026 23:51:46 +0000 wpForo 60 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7035 Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:03:00 +0000 I found your peice on Human Rights Watch to be exceedingly clever. I do not know if you are sincere in your critique of HRW or not. In the end, it really does not matter. Yes, the report certainly sounds amateurish. The Albanians, unlike us, are not all saints and virgins. But are you going anywhere with this? Are you suggesting that the Albanians deserved what they got. You are probably correct-the Albanians were not "good". But if you feel that this is significant, or that the incompetence or greed of some bunch of do-gooders is significant, relative to what happened in Kosovo-you are part of the problem. Next time-instead of spending agonizing hours over a report, work at a 7-11 for 4 hours and give the money to some poor person who has lost his/her home or loved ones to ethnic violence.]]> Kosovo War fredshapiro https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7035 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7034 Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:33:00 +0000
Your taking issue with my critique of the HRW report sounds like that CW song,

. . . "That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it". :O)

T'gunns]]> Kosovo War tgunns https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7034 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7033 Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:25:00 +0000
>> A small word from me you seem to enjoy the way you treat Emina. Well i can only say this please come with relavent pieces and analysis, instead of backstabbing someone you have no ties with.

>> It just doesn't look very good as you also claim to be a university boy/man you should know better. Then to lower yourself like this. I just find it unbelievable how you can accuse someone you claim to have no ties with of HATING Serbian people, and doubt on someones medical abillities.

>> If i would be Emina i would not answer these questions you pose either. Besides why would someone claim to have had proper medical scholing, if that wouldn't be the case?

>> I don't expect any answers on this as you can't give any, because you don't know the person involved here. Nor do i know the person involved, but i rather stick to myself meaning no accusations from my side.

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Hmmmmm. You sound suspiciously like Emina - same writing style, e.g., run-on sentences, disjointed syntax, improper word usage, dangling phrases, and an overall incomprehensibility. You also seem fond of giving advice, just like Emina. Here are some examples from her posts:

///// "My advice learn to read before you answer."

///// "Just a friendly advice."

///// "If you have any questions ill be happy to try and give you some advice."

///// "Another advice don't ever underestamate that bastard Milosevic."

///// "Let me give you one peace of advice about Maja."

///// "Advice from the funnyfarm :-))"

This last one rings of truth.

I suggest you follow your own advice and "come with relavent pieces and analysis". If you read the archives, as you claimed when you first entered this forum, you would know that there is ample evidence of relevancy in my posts. Perhaps what you object to is the content, analysis, or ideas. If that is the case, then an honest critique would be the appropriate response, unless (again, much like Emina) you prefer sniping and attacking to open debate.

What I wrote to Emina was not backstabbing. It was up front, open, and direct. It was not written lightly, nor in a fit of pique. It was written only after my patience with her ran out. Furthermore, it was based on a very careful reading and analysis of her posts and her interactions with other people in this forum.

I am tired of her lies, hypocrisy, accusations, and attacks. I did my research. I copied the entire archives, put them into a format that can be sorted, indexed, and cross-referenced. Then I extracted each persons posts and recreated complete conversations that were otherwise disconnected and scattered across many files. From that information the patterns are obvious. What I wrote was based on clearly identifiable patterns of language, behavior, and attitude. Up to this point, no one has accused her of being anti-Serb, yet throughout the archives she exhibits a need to continually deny it, and remind everyone how she hates Milosevic. Why? Her constant references to Serb friends resembles the anti-semite who feels the need to continually remind others that - "some of my best friends are Jews" - while talking about Jewish conspiracies, or the racist who needs to preface his sentences with "I have nothing against black people, but . . . ." Do you see the picture?

Consistent with Emina's style, you have distorted and misinterpreted what I wrote regarding her many PhDs. I didn't "doubt her medical abilities", I asked her where she received her PhDs, in what discipline, and what the topics of her dissertations were. If one is going to make such claims, then they ought to be prepared to provide the proof if they expect to be taken seriously. For the same reason I have asked her sister, who claims to be a journalist, where she is published. Continual reference to these "phantom" PhDs is another pattern throughout her posts. Personally, I think they are both fakes. Regarding Dr. Ducik's medical abilities and Ms. Kwak's role in their business endeavors, I recommend you visit her web site at http://www.suncecyberdoc.com/ and make your own judgement.

suitboy]]> Kosovo War suitboy https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7033 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7032 Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:31:00 +0000 Vancouver Sun

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For NATO, truth was the first casualty in Kosovo

Lawrence Martin Southam News
OTTAWA - Numbers don't matter.

That was the response of Art Eggleton, the Canadian defence minister who
seemingly doubles as a Pentagon spokesman, to the news this week that
the NATO numbers on casualties caused by the Serbs in the Kosovo war
were more inflated than a Hindenburg airship.

United Nations search teams found 2,100 bodies, not all Albanians.
There are more searches to come but the numbers fall far short of the
NATO estimates that ranged from 10,000 to 100,000 and were swallowed
whole by most of the western media.

Some months ago, when the war was beginning, the numbers, in the words
of Mr. Eggleton and others, did of course matter. Now, since they are
not helpful to NATO credibility, they border on the irrelevant.

Mr. Eggleton was remarkably smooth before the cameras. It was as if he
were on automatic B.S.pilot. In his business you have to be smooth. The
stories tend to change.

Before the war began, the Kosovo Liberation Army was classified by the
Central Intelligence Agency as a terrorist organization, replete with
Marxists. During the war, the KLA was given a new shining identity by
NATO. Its members were "freedom fighters." After the war, NATO tells
yet another story: They're the enemy again.

Whatever the real reason for the massive NATO bombing campaign in
Kosovo, there is one aspect that cannot be overlooked. It is the idea
that in war the politicians can think their publics are so gullible,
ignorant and stupid that they can trot out any line and get away with
it.

In this war, it appears more and more like NATO won over public opinion
by putting out one extraordinary falsehood after another while relying
on a media, particularly the U.S. one, so compliant it began to look
like the state-run enterprise I saw in the Soviet Union before Mikhail
Gorbachev went to work.

Two of the Canadians closest to the Yugoslav story were Maj.-Gen. Lewis
Mackenzie, who commanded United Nations forces in the Bosnian war of
1992, and James Bissett, the last Canadian ambassador to serve in
Belgrade. While holding no truck for Slobodan Milosevic, both men were
courageous enough to challenge Ottawa's and NATO's assertions on this
war most every step of the way. They might well feel a bit of
vindication now, not just at this week's numbers, but at how the whole
picture is emerging.

The war was triggered by Mr. Milosevic's failure to accept the
Rambouillet accord which was likened by NATO leaders to a reasonable
deal. The consensus now among Henry Kissinger and many of his ilk is
that it was so unreasonable that no Serb leader with a grain of a brain
could have accepted it. It stipulated, for one, an independence
referendum in Kosovo in three years. Since Kosovo is 90-per-cent
Albanian, Rambouillet was tantamount to the Serbs handing over their
historic heartland to the enemy. Yet NATO said sign it or it's war.

To justify the actual bombing attacks, which made mockery of
international law, NATO leaders like Prime Minister Jean Chretien
alleged the Serbs were on a murderous and ethnic-cleansing rampage. In
fact, the most reliable estimates put the deportations before the
bombing attacks began at more like a trickle.

As for killings, the International Crisis Group this week put the
average number before the NATO intervention at 30 a week, for both
sides. More accurate were the NATO claims about large displacements of
people within Kosovo itself before the bombings. But how surprising
or catastrophic was this given that an ethnic civil war had been going
on for years and that in many cases the Albanians were giving as good
as they got.

It would be nice to say the pattern of apparent disinformation was
limited to the Yugoslav war, a campaign that served a vital purpose for
President Bill Clinton in that it vanquished Monica Lewinsky from the
front pages forever. But it was only a year ago when, on the very eve of
his impeachment hearings, Mr. Clinton started bombing the hell out of
Iraq, pretending that Saddam Hussein was such a grave threat to
humanity that if he didn't get him that week, the world would be
covered in poison gas by the following Tuesday. Before that, again with
the Lewinsky crisis in full throttle, Mr. Clinton bombed a
pharmaceuticals factory in Khartoum claiming, laughably as it turned
out, that it was a toolshed for terrorists.

There might be a bit of a pattern here. Believing in a lot of this
stuff is like believing in the tooth fairy. Art Eggleton likes tooth
fairies.]]> Kosovo War daniela https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7032 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7031 Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:54:00 +0000 Kosovo War danica https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/3/#post-7031 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7030 Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:51:00 +0000 Kosovo War danica https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7030 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7029 Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:04:00 +0000 Kosovo War philtr https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7029 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7028 Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:00 +0000
A small word from me you seem to enjoy the way you treat Emina...
Well i can only say this please come with relavent pieces and analysis, instead of backstabbing someone you have no ties with.

It just doesn't look very good as you also claim to be a university boy/man you should know better.
Then to lower yourself like this.
I just find it unbelievable how you can accuse someone you claim to have no ties with of HATING Serbian people, and doubt on someones medical abillities.

If i would be Emina i would not answer these questions you pose either. Besides why would someone claim to have had proper medical scholing, if that wouldn't be the case?

I don't expect any answers on this as you can't give any, because you don't know the person involved here. Nor do i know the person involved, but i rather stick to myself meaning no accusations from my side.

I can only wish you well]]> Kosovo War nalini https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7028 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7027 Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:46:00 +0000 Colonel's Wife

VIRGINIA, Nov. 5 - You have seen our earlier reference to the U.S. Air
Force Gen. Michael Short's testimony before a U.S. Senate committee. Now,
one retired U.S. Air Force colonel's wife, Stella Jatras, is mad as hell
over things he said on that occasion. Steaming mad!

This Vietnam era bride gave the man who directed NATO's bombing raids
against Serbia from his Aviano (Italy) base a well deserved short end of
the stick. Her open letter was addressed to: The Commander, 16th Air
Force, United States Air Forces, Europe Commander, Allied Forces, Southern
Europe (i.e., to Gen. Short). Here is an excerpt from what Mrs. Jatras had
to say to Gen. Short:

"Dear General Short:

On 21 October, Reuters reported: 'His voice breaking with emotion at a
Senate hearing, the U.S. Air Force general who headed NATO's spring bombing
of Serbia lashed out at France on Thursday for repeatedly vetoing proposed
targets in Belgrade.' You were also quoted as saying, 'This is a personal
thing with me.' You explained that your son flew 40 missions in the A-10 in
Kosovo and that he was hit by an SA-13, and that, 'He called me that night
on a secure phone and the first words were 'Don't tell mom'.'

As the wife of a retired Air Force fighter pilot and the mother of two
sons, I share your concern for the safety of those whom we love; however,
General, just as my husband was a legitimate target when he flew his
missions over Vietnam, your son was a legitimate target, unlike the
civilians he bombed.

Lest what I have to say be misconstrued as being anti-military or
anti-American, let me make it clear that I love our country and I have
always supported our military. However, I deplore the fact that young
Americans such as your son were ordered to attack a sovereign nation, in
violation of international law and the basic tenants of NATO. When the
initial attacks against the military and political structure of Yugoslavia
failed, those young men were ordered by you and your superiors to wage a
war of terror against the civilian population. Our warriors go into battle
trusting in the honesty, honor and ethics of their superiors. 'Theirs is
not to reason why. Theirs is but to do or die.' You and the other lackeys
of the Clinton administration failed them.

I now ask you, General:

- Was it your son whose bombs hit a bridge in central Serbia crowded with
traffic and pedestrians on a Sunday afternoon, where 17 people were wounded
and nine people died, including 'a priest with his head blasted away?'
(Reuters, 30 May). Or was it your son who, four minutes after the initial
attack, hit the bridge again just as help arrived for the surviving victims?

- Was it your son whose bombs decapitated a Serbian child? 'We found the
head of a child in a garden and many limbs in the mud. But you don't want
to report that. CNN filmed the bodies, but they don't show them on
television' (The Independent, 29 April).

- Was it your son whose bombs dismembered Serbian children making it
almost impossible to match the children's torsos with their arms and legs,
although several were recognized by their sneakers? (The Guardian, 18 May).

- Was it your son whose bombs buried people alive under tons of rubble
from destroyed apartment buildings?

- Was it your son whose bombs hit the convoy of ethnic Albanians reducing
the victims to ashes, and then have your NATO pimp spokesperson, Jamie
Shea, have the gall to deny that NATO pilots, possibly your son, were
responsible for this atrocity by blaming it on the Serbs?

- Was it your son who bombed hospitals, schools, orphanages, cemeteries,
churches, 14th century monasteries on the World Heritage list, in a
barbaric act to destroy Serbian culture, society and religion?

- Was it your son whose bombs hit oil supplies polluting the air so that
civilians couldn't breath, as well as water supplies, civilian apartments,
civilian factories so as to destroy the quality of life and terrorize those
who were not killed? And let us not forget the pollution of the Danube
caused by NATO bombs which has affected all the surrounding nations'
international trade costing them millions of dollars.

- Was it the depleted uranium from the shells of the Gatling Gun on your
son's A-10 that poisoned the soil and the air of the Serbian people so that
their children will be born deformed, and rendered the soil unfit to
produce food for the people to eat?

- Or perhaps it was your son who bombed the Chinese Embassy in another
'mistake.'

Besides hitting the Chinese Embassy, your not-so-smart bombs damaged the
embassies of Italy, Switzerland, Pakistan, India, Libya, and Iraq. Not only
could your smart bombs not find the right target, they couldn't even find
the right country as they hit Macedonia once and Bulgaria five times.

NATO pilots bombed Yugoslavia more in 78 days than Hitler did in all of
World War II. Can you understand what that means to a people who were our
allies in two world wars? It was the Serbian nationalist leader, General
Draza Mihailovich, who rescued over 500 downed American pilots while
Croatian and Bosnian/Kosovar/Albanian Muslims at the same time were turning
them over to the Germans for execution.

And the horror we have wrought on innocent (Serb) civilians doesn't stop
there. NATO cluster bombs continue to kill children. And just what has our
illegal and immoral air campaign against a sovereign nation accomplished?

Since KFOR entered Kosovo, General, this great victory of which you are so
proud, these 'peacekeepers' have stood by while the 200,000 Serbian men,
women and children who remained in Kosovo have been reduced to fewer than
12,000, with the number steadily approaching zero. While the eradication of
Serbs is taking place, NATO and the media remain silent. Serbian nuns are
being gang raped or forced to stand naked before their KLA tormentors,
Serbian priests are being beaten and murdered, 'Grannies' have been
targeted for special horrors, such as decapitation, drowning (in bathtubs),
stabbing or raped and the atrocities continue.

The demonization of the Serbian people is complete. Christian humanitarian
organizations are collecting millions of dollars to help ethnic Albanians
but not one penny goes to a hungry or suffering Serbian child.

The American people are finally beginning to realize that they have been
lied to in order for this President (Bill Clinton) to justify NATO's war on
innocent civilians and to send our sons and daughters into harm's way.

And with whom have we jumped into bed? We have jumped into bed with a
bunch of narco-terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army(KLA)cutthroats who were
trained in Osama bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan and who have now
established their own mini-Afghanistan in Kosovo. The most disgusting
picture that sticks in my craw is the one of Hashim Thaci, leader of the
KLA, kissing Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, on both cheeks after
he had just executed six of his top officers. And just what have we
succeeded in doing? We have succeeded in turning over Serbia's Jerusalem to
these cutthroats.

And finally, I return to the Reuter's dispatch where you said, 'this is a
personal thing with me.' Just what did you think, General, was happening to
Americans of Serbian descent, many of whom still have fathers, mothers,
sisters and brothers living in the Mother country, watching your son
destroy a nation and a people? Was that not 'a personal thing' for them?

The Serbian people survived 500 years of suffering under the Ottoman
Empire. They survived the atrocities committed under the Nazis by their
fascist Croatian and Muslim enemies. They survived under Tito's brutal
communist system. Now through our ignorance, our gullibility and a
deliberate, concerted campaign of lies and disinformation to destroy these
heroic people, they are facing annihilation by a hostile (western) world.

And finally, General, welcome to the New World Order you have helped to
create. Maybe the job you did in Kosovo and your performance at the Senate
hearing will get you another star on your shoulder. Wear it in shame."

Stella L. Jatras, Virginia

http://www.truthinmedia.org/]]> Kosovo War daniela https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7027 https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7026 Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:00 +0000 a fighter for freedom?

jeez, louise...]]> Kosovo War artemiskatt https://www.viexpo.com/kosovo-war/archive-through-november-15-1999/paged/2/#post-7026