While you quibble and talktalktalk, real people are doing real work, identifying real dead bodies of real people who were really killed by the unfortunately still real Milosevic regime...

From, and I will spell it out, because you like that so much, RADIO FREE EUROPE (incidentally, confirmed by sources all over the world)

MORE THAN 400 MASS GRAVES IDENTIFIED IN KOSOVA. A spokesman
for the Hague-based war crimes tribunal said in that Dutch
city on 13 October that international forensics experts have
found more than 400 mass graves in the province. Some 68
experts are currently working there in five groups. They hope
to have completed investigations of 150 sites by the end of
October.

Oh, and Tommy/Foetus/Suitboy, you have been reading too many conspiracy theory books. Please also try and take the X-files a bit less seriously :-X
Incidentally, the papers and magazines I work for are not located in your country, and are not in any language you speak, so I will not bother mentioning them. One thing for sure: it is not Elsevier!

And this CIA thing... :-))))) Keep it up, this is FUN :-XX)))

Zoja

By suitboy on Thursday, October 14, 1999 - 09:42 pm:
Emina,

Can't you just answer a question without trying to be cutesy and evasive.

suitboy
**** Nothing to be evasive about. Its all in the archives for starters. And secondly you are only hoping forsomething sanational to nail me down. Sorry no go

EminPS of course the word"sorry" in this context does not mean im sorry for anything. Just so you understand, and again when are you going to answer my question then i might even answer yours. This is called laying out terms of condition not being evasive.
Good luck with trying to find out what the last sentence ment.
BTW Zoja is right KEEP UP THE CONSPIRASY THEORIES I LOVE THEM :-))))))))))))

"...if you merely
wanna kill me for being an american =i'm not
saying you do, i'd leave that to daniela= gomen
nasai." by L`menexe

WELCOME TO PARANOIA CITY,
I didn`t even consider you to be an American, nor have I ever spoken to you.

Why would I want to kill you ?
Do you want me to? Is that some sort of a fantasy of yours.To be killed by a woman named Daniela...

3. News of U.S. Helicopter Crash in Bosnia during NATO's War on Serbia Was
Suppressed: Why? (asks "Venik")

WESTERN AUSTRALIA, Oct. 15 - The pseudonym "Venik" ought to be familiar to
the regular TiM readers. We first published Venik's data on NATO losses
during our visit to wartime Serbia (see S99-48, Day 29, Update 1, Item 5,
Apr. 21). And we updated his findings in some of our "peace farce" TiM GW
Bulletins (see S99-112, "Peacefarce" 6, Item 1, June 21, for example, or
S99-139, KFOR "Peacefarce" 33, Item 2, Aug. 24).

Although "Venik" is this TiM source's chosen pseudonym, his real identity
is known to TiM. For those who may try to discredit Venik's views on
account of his proximity to the Serbs, let us point out that this person is
neither a Serb, nor is even based in Europe. Guess you can (accurately)
surmise that he is a man. Which ought to suffice by way of introduction to
his latest contribution, sent to TiM in late September:

"People often e-mail me in regard to the NATO losses claims on my Web
site. Their main question is, of course, whether or not I can present any
proof to support such claims. I found out that it doesn't help explaining
to these people that the claims of NATO losses they find on my Web site are
not my own. I simply collect information from a variety of sources, and
organize this information for easy access.

Do I personally believe these claims? Do I believe that NATO is hiding its
losses? Absolutely, otherwise I would have never invested so much time into
collecting such information. I do this because I find it extremely
important that American public is familiar with every detail of the
operation "Allied Force", before it lends its support to another illegal
and immoral war against a sovereign nation.

In this brief article I will present information available to me regarding
a crash of a U.S. Army OH-58C Kiowa Scout armed observation helicopter in
Bosnia-Herzegovina on May 26 of 1999. This crash has a direct connection
to the NATO operation in Kosovo and the preparation of a NATO ground
invasion of Yugoslavia, which was underway during the late stage of the
conflict (see
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/082499/aviation/nws001/kiowacrash.htm ).

What makes this incident even more interesting and relevant to the subject
of my web site is the fact that this crash was never reported or even
admitted by either the US or NATO officials. But first, I would like to
briefly describe the incident involving the OH-58C reconnaissance
helicopter, which was officially assigned to the United Nations SFOR troops
in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

An American SFOR OH-58C Scout Kiowa reconnaissance helicopter crashed on
05-26-99 at 23:20, about 7km south-east of Brcko in the area of Ristici,
Bosnia (map). SFOR, IPTF and LP (troops) responded to the scene. Two pilots
on board suffered injuries. One first pilot suffered minor injuries and
was treated at SFOR base in Tuzla. The second pilot sustained head and leg
injuries, and on 05-27-99 he was still being treated at the Tuzla SFOR base.

Where does this information come from? It comes directly from two United
Nations International Police Task Force (IPTF) daily reports. The two
reports cover a period of time from May the 26th to May the 28th of 1999.
The first report from May 26 - 27 states:

"FLASH REPORT (Helicopter crash) On 26.05.99 at 23.20 hrs an SFOR
helicopter crashed in the area of Ristici (CQ 319-677), 7 km south-east of
Brcko. SFOR, IPTF and LP responded to the scene. Subsequent information
reveals the aircraft was an American Scout the crew was recovered
uninjured. No further action required by IPTF or LP. "

The second report from May 27 - 28 has the following entry:

"Log entry No: 16 of Log 26th/27th May refers. Mission LNO to SFOR confirms
that a US Scout KIOWA Helicopter - generally used for reconnaissance
purposes - crashed approx 7km south-east of Brcko in the area of RISTICI
(CQ.319-677) at about 23.20hrs. It is uncertain at this time what caused
the engine malfunction which forced down the craft. It is confirmed that no
outside forces were involved in causing the helicopter to crash. On board
were 2 pilots. Both were rescued - though injured. No.1 suffered minor
injuries for which he received treatment at Tuzla SFOR base and was later
released. No.2 sustained head and leg injuries - he continues to receive
medical attention at Tuzla base. Experts commenced investigations at
08.00hrs to day. A definite cause for the crash may take several days to
determine."

The two reports are not classified, although they're not publicly
available. They were e-mailed to me by an anonymous source. Once again, I
would like to remind you that this accident, which involved a U.S. military
helicopter and two injured U.S. servicemen, was NEVER reported by U.S.
military or government officials.

This was not a very remarkable incident by itself. It did not involve an
expensive attack helicopter, nor did it result in any casualties. This
immediately made me curious as to why this accident was not officially
reported. I looked back at the U.N. report from May the 26th and noticed a
log entry No. 15, which states:

"Log entry No: 15 of 25/26.05.99 refers LNO to SFOR clarifies that at
01.55hrs on May 26th, the Allied Military Intelligence Battalion (AMIB)
house sustained 4 impacts from Rocket Grenades. This property is positioned
close to Zvornik (a town in Bosnian Serb territory, right across the river
Drina, its border with Serbia - CQ.481-212).

At 02.03hrs on the same date, the Joint Commission Observer (JCO) house at
KARAKAJ (CQ.510-208) sustained 3 impacts from Rocket Grenades while 1
Rocket Grenade hit the outer fence of the building. This property is
positioned approx 4kms north of Zvornik. Two M80 launchers have been
recovered in the vicinity of the AMIB house.

Two Magazines with ammunition from a Scorpion Pistol were also recovered.
The motive for the attack is not known at this time. The individuals
responsible have not been identified. There were no injuries to persons.
The assessment of the damage to property is being carried out. The attacks
would appear to be coordinated. SFOR in conjunction with LP and IPTF are
investigating. A more detailed assessment should be available later today
(26.05.99).

ZVORNIK: Incident Report # 99/ZVO/045 (RPG ATTACK ON AMIB) Incident Report
# 99/ZVO/046 (RPG ATTACK ON JCO). On 26.05.99 two simultaneous RPG grenade
attacks occurred on SFOR properties in Zvornik AOR (These cases were
reported on dailylog 25/26.05.99 # 15). IPTF, SFOR along with LP CID
visited the scenes of attacks and the following was revealed there: 1)

At the accommodation of AMIB in CELOPEK it was noticed that all the glass
windows from the right side of the building were damaged and three holes
were found each by a diameter 20 cm. The investigating SFOR team had found
04 rocket RPG shells, two RPG launchers and two loaded magazines. 2) At the
JCO building, the inspection found that all the windows from the right side
of building were damaged. In total two rockets of five fired actually hit
the building. The whole attack has been taped by a video camera belonging
to the JCO."

Looking at the U.N. report from May the 27th I found the following entry:

"SFOR PATROL CAPTURED BY SERB SOLDIERS. Message from IPTF MHQ LNO to SFOR:
At 16.00hrs May 26th a French Patrol (6 soldiers) were taken hostage by
approx 20 VJ (Yugoslavian Army) soldiers. The capture took place at Rudo
(CP 68-30). The Recce patrol noticed a Serb manned checkpoint, located in
BiH. After reporting, the patrol was ordered to bypass the obstacle. As the
patrol attempted to pass they were taken hostage. The 20 strong VJ soldiers
took the 6 French soldiers into Serbia and seized their weapons and some
equipment.

The patrol was released around 03.00hrs on May 27th and returned to
Rajlovac - arriving there at 08.30hrs. The VJ soldiers confiscated a MAC 50
machine pistol, all their ammunition, blank maps and optical assets -
including two pair of binoculars."

As you can see, the three incidents happened on the same date near the
border between Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. The two incidents involving
an attack on NATO intelligence unit and the capture of SFOR soldiers
coincided with several reports I received from Serbia and
Bosnia-Herzegovina on the same date regarding a heightened activity of
Yugoslav soldiers in the border region.

I do not have sufficient evidence to connect the three incidents described
above, however, it is a fact that OH-58C reconnaissance helicopters in
Bosnia are employed by the Allied Military Intelligence Battalion stationed
at Zvornik, the same unit that was subjected to a grenade attack on the
date of the helicopter crash.

The helicopter can also be linked to U.S. Army intelligence operations in
Bosnia-Herzegovina and in Macedonia. A similar crash also involving a
Kiowa reconnaissance helicopter (either an OH-58C or a more advanced
OH-58D) was reported from Macedonia, where U.S. Army intelligence units
were stationed. It is believed that the reconnaissance helicopters were
used by the U.S. and NATO from Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia in
preparation of a ground invasion of Yugoslavia in May of 1999. It is also
believed that the Yugoslav forces launched preemptive strikes against the
bases of NATO intelligence operations in Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Whether or not you find my explanation plausible, the fact remains that a
U.S. military helicopter crashed injuring two American servicemen and the
information regarding this crash was suppressed by the U.S. military and
NATO command. I am not necessarily saying that the OH-58C helicopter that
crashed in Bosnia was shot down. For all that I know it could have been a
technical malfunction or pilot error. However, this would not explain all
the secrecy surrounding this crash.

A number of OH-58C helicopters have crashed in the past, some under very
intriguing circumstances, such as the 1994 crash of a Kiowa Scout on a
reconnaissance mission in North Korean part of the demilitarized zone. Two
US servicemen were killed in that crash (or after it). But none of such
incidents received the kind of silent treatment from the US military and
government officials as did the seemingly routine accident in Bosnia on May
the 26th.

Just about every piece of information you can find in the two United
Nations reports on this page was suppressed by the military and never made
news. And these are only two reports covering a period of only a few
days. I find this disturbing and suspicious. Events like these form the
basis of my skepticism toward NATO's accounts of the war in Yugoslavia."

Venik, September, 1999

3. News of U.S. Helicopter Crash in Bosnia during NATO's War on Serbia Was
Suppressed: Why? (asks "Venik")

WESTERN AUSTRALIA, Oct. 15 - The pseudonym "Venik" ought to be familiar to
the regular TiM readers. We first published Venik's data on NATO losses
during our visit to wartime Serbia (see S99-48, Day 29, Update 1, Item 5,
Apr. 21). And we updated his findings in some of our "peace farce" TiM GW
Bulletins (see S99-112, "Peacefarce" 6, Item 1, June 21, for example, or
S99-139, KFOR "Peacefarce" 33, Item 2, Aug. 24).

Although "Venik" is this TiM source's chosen pseudonym, his real identity
is known to TiM. For those who may try to discredit Venik's views on
account of his proximity to the Serbs, let us point out that this person is
neither a Serb, nor is even based in Europe. Guess you can (accurately)
surmise that he is a man. Which ought to suffice by way of introduction to
his latest contribution, sent to TiM in late September:

"People often e-mail me in regard to the NATO losses claims on my Web
site. Their main question is, of course, whether or not I can present any
proof to support such claims. I found out that it doesn't help explaining
to these people that the claims of NATO losses they find on my Web site are
not my own. I simply collect information from a variety of sources, and
organize this information for easy access.

Do I personally believe these claims? Do I believe that NATO is hiding its
losses? Absolutely, otherwise I would have never invested so much time into
collecting such information. I do this because I find it extremely
important that American public is familiar with every detail of the
operation "Allied Force", before it lends its support to another illegal
and immoral war against a sovereign nation.

In this brief article I will present information available to me regarding
a crash of a U.S. Army OH-58C Kiowa Scout armed observation helicopter in
Bosnia-Herzegovina on May 26 of 1999. This crash has a direct connection
to the NATO operation in Kosovo and the preparation of a NATO ground
invasion of Yugoslavia, which was underway during the late stage of the
conflict (see
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/082499/aviation/nws001/kiowacrash.htm ).

What makes this incident even more interesting and relevant to the subject
of my web site is the fact that this crash was never reported or even
admitted by either the US or NATO officials. But first, I would like to
briefly describe the incident involving the OH-58C reconnaissance
helicopter, which was officially assigned to the United Nations SFOR troops
in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

An American SFOR OH-58C Scout Kiowa reconnaissance helicopter crashed on
05-26-99 at 23:20, about 7km south-east of Brcko in the area of Ristici,
Bosnia (map). SFOR, IPTF and LP (troops) responded to the scene. Two pilots
on board suffered injuries. One first pilot suffered minor injuries and
was treated at SFOR base in Tuzla. The second pilot sustained head and leg
injuries, and on 05-27-99 he was still being treated at the Tuzla SFOR base.

Where does this information come from? It comes directly from two United
Nations International Police Task Force (IPTF) daily reports. The two
reports cover a period of time from May the 26th to May the 28th of 1999.
The first report from May 26 - 27 states:

"FLASH REPORT (Helicopter crash) On 26.05.99 at 23.20 hrs an SFOR
helicopter crashed in the area of Ristici (CQ 319-677), 7 km south-east of
Brcko. SFOR, IPTF and LP responded to the scene. Subsequent information
reveals the aircraft was an American Scout the crew was recovered
uninjured. No further action required by IPTF or LP. "

The second report from May 27 - 28 has the following entry:

"Log entry No: 16 of Log 26th/27th May refers. Mission LNO to SFOR confirms
that a US Scout KIOWA Helicopter - generally used for reconnaissance
purposes - crashed approx 7km south-east of Brcko in the area of RISTICI
(CQ.319-677) at about 23.20hrs. It is uncertain at this time what caused
the engine malfunction which forced down the craft. It is confirmed that no
outside forces were involved in causing the helicopter to crash. On board
were 2 pilots. Both were rescued - though injured. No.1 suffered minor
injuries for which he received treatment at Tuzla SFOR base and was later
released. No.2 sustained head and leg injuries - he continues to receive
medical attention at Tuzla base. Experts commenced investigations at
08.00hrs to day. A definite cause for the crash may take several days to
determine."

The two reports are not classified, although they're not publicly
available. They were e-mailed to me by an anonymous source. Once again, I
would like to remind you that this accident, which involved a U.S. military
helicopter and two injured U.S. servicemen, was NEVER reported by U.S.
military or government officials.

This was not a very remarkable incident by itself. It did not involve an
expensive attack helicopter, nor did it result in any casualties. This
immediately made me curious as to why this accident was not officially
reported. I looked back at the U.N. report from May the 26th and noticed a
log entry No. 15, which states:

"Log entry No: 15 of 25/26.05.99 refers LNO to SFOR clarifies that at
01.55hrs on May 26th, the Allied Military Intelligence Battalion (AMIB)
house sustained 4 impacts from Rocket Grenades. This property is positioned
close to Zvornik (a town in Bosnian Serb territory, right across the river
Drina, its border with Serbia - CQ.481-212).

At 02.03hrs on the same date, the Joint Commission Observer (JCO) house at
KARAKAJ (CQ.510-208) sustained 3 impacts from Rocket Grenades while 1
Rocket Grenade hit the outer fence of the building. This property is
positioned approx 4kms north of Zvornik. Two M80 launchers have been
recovered in the vicinity of the AMIB house.

Two Magazines with ammunition from a Scorpion Pistol were also recovered.
The motive for the attack is not known at this time. The individuals
responsible have not been identified. There were no injuries to persons.
The assessment of the damage to property is being carried out. The attacks
would appear to be coordinated. SFOR in conjunction with LP and IPTF are
investigating. A more detailed assessment should be available later today
(26.05.99).

ZVORNIK: Incident Report # 99/ZVO/045 (RPG ATTACK ON AMIB) Incident Report
# 99/ZVO/046 (RPG ATTACK ON JCO). On 26.05.99 two simultaneous RPG grenade
attacks occurred on SFOR properties in Zvornik AOR (These cases were
reported on dailylog 25/26.05.99 # 15). IPTF, SFOR along with LP CID
visited the scenes of attacks and the following was revealed there: 1)

At the accommodation of AMIB in CELOPEK it was noticed that all the glass
windows from the right side of the building were damaged and three holes
were found each by a diameter 20 cm. The investigating SFOR team had found
04 rocket RPG shells, two RPG launchers and two loaded magazines. 2) At the
JCO building, the inspection found that all the windows from the right side
of building were damaged. In total two rockets of five fired actually hit
the building. The whole attack has been taped by a video camera belonging
to the JCO."

Looking at the U.N. report from May the 27th I found the following entry:

"SFOR PATROL CAPTURED BY SERB SOLDIERS. Message from IPTF MHQ LNO to SFOR:
At 16.00hrs May 26th a French Patrol (6 soldiers) were taken hostage by
approx 20 VJ (Yugoslavian Army) soldiers. The capture took place at Rudo
(CP 68-30). The Recce patrol noticed a Serb manned checkpoint, located in
BiH. After reporting, the patrol was ordered to bypass the obstacle. As the
patrol attempted to pass they were taken hostage. The 20 strong VJ soldiers
took the 6 French soldiers into Serbia and seized their weapons and some
equipment.

The patrol was released around 03.00hrs on May 27th and returned to
Rajlovac - arriving there at 08.30hrs. The VJ soldiers confiscated a MAC 50
machine pistol, all their ammunition, blank maps and optical assets -
including two pair of binoculars."

As you can see, the three incidents happened on the same date near the
border between Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. The two incidents involving
an attack on NATO intelligence unit and the capture of SFOR soldiers
coincided with several reports I received from Serbia and
Bosnia-Herzegovina on the same date regarding a heightened activity of
Yugoslav soldiers in the border region.

I do not have sufficient evidence to connect the three incidents described
above, however, it is a fact that OH-58C reconnaissance helicopters in
Bosnia are employed by the Allied Military Intelligence Battalion stationed
at Zvornik, the same unit that was subjected to a grenade attack on the
date of the helicopter crash.

The helicopter can also be linked to U.S. Army intelligence operations in
Bosnia-Herzegovina and in Macedonia. A similar crash also involving a
Kiowa reconnaissance helicopter (either an OH-58C or a more advanced
OH-58D) was reported from Macedonia, where U.S. Army intelligence units
were stationed. It is believed that the reconnaissance helicopters were
used by the U.S. and NATO from Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia in
preparation of a ground invasion of Yugoslavia in May of 1999. It is also
believed that the Yugoslav forces launched preemptive strikes against the
bases of NATO intelligence operations in Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Whether or not you find my explanation plausible, the fact remains that a
U.S. military helicopter crashed injuring two American servicemen and the
information regarding this crash was suppressed by the U.S. military and
NATO command. I am not necessarily saying that the OH-58C helicopter that
crashed in Bosnia was shot down. For all that I know it could have been a
technical malfunction or pilot error. However, this would not explain all
the secrecy surrounding this crash.

A number of OH-58C helicopters have crashed in the past, some under very
intriguing circumstances, such as the 1994 crash of a Kiowa Scout on a
reconnaissance mission in North Korean part of the demilitarized zone. Two
US servicemen were killed in that crash (or after it). But none of such
incidents received the kind of silent treatment from the US military and
government officials as did the seemingly routine accident in Bosnia on May
the 26th.

Just about every piece of information you can find in the two United
Nations reports on this page was suppressed by the military and never made
news. And these are only two reports covering a period of only a few
days. I find this disturbing and suspicious. Events like these form the
basis of my skepticism toward NATO's accounts of the war in Yugoslavia."

Venik, September, 1999

To: Suitboy

I noticed that busybody-crybaby phenomenon some eight years ago, but I didn't think, that nations will defy conventional wisdom and continue to "evolve" into broilers.

Blabla, babblebabble, Earth calling Suitboy, Earth calling Daniela, come in, guys. Or is you ivory tower so nice that you don't even bother anymore to go our into the real world??

Zoja

L'menexe,

You'll be back.

:O)

suitboy

Zoja,

>> While you quibble and talktalktalk, real people are doing real work, identifying real dead bodies of real people who were really killed by the unfortunately still real Milosevic regime...

Once again, I am compelled to ask you what your point is? Firstly, I'm not a forensic investigator, I'm nowhere near the scene of the "crimes", it isn't my role, etc., etc.

I guess that's just part of your NWO therapy-speak that is suppose to make me feel guilty and either 1) seek forgiveness by changing my evil ways or, 2) shut-up.

No such luck, lady. I'll be around to poke holes in the nonesense you post.

>> MORE THAN 400 MASS GRAVES IDENTIFIED IN KOSOVA. A spokesman for the Hague-based war crimes tribunal said in that Dutch city on 13 October that international forensics experts have
found more than 400 mass graves in the province. Some 68 experts are currently working there in five groups. They hope to have completed investigations of 150 sites by the end of October.

Interesting, but it tells me nothing. What's in these "alleged" mass graves? How many? Who? How did they die? Who put them there? When?

In other words, it's the proof that counts, not the allegations.

>> [...] you have been reading too many conspiracy theory books. Please also try and take the X-files a bit less seriously :-X

Wrong. But keep trying. Maybe you'll get it some day. 1) never saw x-files. I'm not a television watcher; 2) My reading preferences are crime novels and biographies. I have respect for good detective work, conclusions based on hard evidence, not emotionalism.

>> Incidentally, the papers and magazines I work for are not located in your country, and are not in any language you speak, so I will not bother mentioning them. One thing for sure: it is not Elsevier!

Go ahead, list them. I am located in a very international city, with many international news kiosks, bookstores, and libraries. I can easily find translators for language I don't speak.

Suitboy

Emina,

The following was the answer to your question "when did you become a supporter of mass murderers".

>> I challenge you to point out when and where I have ever expressed support for ANY of the belligerents in the Balkan Wars.

You just didn't get it. The question is false. Can you say the same for mine?

Suitboy

Just about every piece of information you can find in the two United Nations reports on this page was suppressed by the military and never made news. And these are only two reports covering a period of only a few days. I find this disturbing and suspicious. Events like these form the basis of my skepticism toward NATO's accounts of the war in
Yugoslavia."

Daniella, where in the world did you ever find this person? There are tens of thousands of reports not made public by the UN, NATO and other military organizations. And they sould not be made public. Just because Vink whines about them not being made public in no way supports his fantasy or his belief that they should be made public. My god, can't you do better than this? phil

America's Friend - Commander Remi

Source: Reagan.com
Published: 10/14/99 Author: Max Sinclair

Commander Remi - The Man Who Insults Gen. Jackson and Gets Away With It

"Murders occur at a frightening rate"

What Happened in Kosovo?

Since General Jackson's military occupation began on June 12th it has become
increasingly clear that something is going terribly wrong inside Kosovo and
Metohija.

Murders occur at a frightening rate. Little old ladies get strangled while
taking a bath. Young girls are kidnaped and sent to European brothels.
Children get blown up by unexploded cluster bombs. Whole residential streets
are looted, then torched. Nuns are raped. More than a dozen Farmers tending
their crops get their throats slit by thugs dressed in British army uniforms.

It wasn't supposed to be like this.

We were told by Washington that the tyrant Milosevic and his evil henchman
must be kicked out of Kosovo to stop hundreds of thousands from being killed.
We were told by Washington that NATO occupation would bring peace and
stability to Kosovo. We were told by Washington that the Kosovo Liberation
Army (UCK) represented the desires of 99.95% of the people.

Somehow what we were told by Washington and the reality unfolding in Kosovo
doesn't appear to jive. Why is that? Why is the situation so chaotic in
Kosovo? Why have things got worse since the 'NATO liberation'?

Perhaps these questions can be answered by taking an in depth look at the UCK.
This is the very same UCK whose leaders' Madeline Albright has feted in
Paris, Washington, and now in Pristina. Numerous reports have indicated the
US has secretly armed and advised the UCK. One such leader is Commander Remi.

This article presents information about Remi and how he appears to have spent
most of his time in killing fellow Albanians who disagreed with his extremist
position.

Commander Remi

Rrustem Mustafa is a leading UCK commander. Using the nom de guerre Commander
Remi, he was responsible for UCK actions in the so-called Llap operational
zone. This vital zone includes Pristina, the strategic highway linking Kosovo
with Serbia, and the market town of Podujevo. At 27, Remi had a hard line
reputation and a flair for media posturing. He frequently gave interviews to
naive reporters driving up for the afternoon from Pristina. His
political views are therefore quite well known. What is not as quite well
known are the methods he used to carry out his rigid political programme?

Remi seems to have believed that any person would not support the UCK was a
traitor and deserved to be treated that way. Remi rejected the Rambouillet
Peace agreement signed by the UCK leadership describing it as a betrayal by
'business patriots' and criticized the 'fraud' and 'manipulation' which went
into the agreement. (source Reuters Tuesday March 16 12:31 PM ET ; Yugoslav
Army Advances: By Sean Maguire) The day to day work of leading Remi's
fighters appears to have been the responsibility of Kadri Kastrati, deputy
commander of the Llap zone.

Kastrati was a 39 year old seasoned mercenary from the Croatia Army who spent
the early 1990's with the paramilitary group "Vangas" ethnically cleansing
the Dalmatian coast from Zadar to Dubrovnik. (source: Vecernji List (Zagreb)
9 March 1999; Some 300 Former Croatian Army Members Fighting in Kosovo ; by
Sonja Hodak).

Remi, the 20 something failed law student and Karrati, the unemployed
paramilitary from Croatia organized a focused campaign against moderate
Albanians within their zone beginning with the kidnapping of Hajif Hoti on
December 1st , 1998.

Remi's Campaign Against Moderate Albanians

The fifty-six year old Hajif Hoti, was kidnaped by a group of people wearing
UCK uniforms near Podujevo and never heard from again. Hoti's case is typical
of what happened to moderate Albanian villagers in Remi's zone. They go about
trying to avoid all conflict and find themselves disappeared (source Pristina
Media Center 3.December)

Moderate villagers were not the only victims of Remi's wrath. Two days later
on the 3rd of December, Remi's fighter's assassinated Hizri Tala and his two
companions; the journalist Afrim Malici, and the student Iljir Durmisi when
their car was machine gunned in Pristina's University district. Albanians who
attended multi-ethnic Yugoslav schools were by definition traitors becuase
they refused to attend UCK run nationalist schools.
(source Pristina Media Center)

The next day, Remi ordered two of his fighters to sneak into the Pristina
hospital for unknown reasons. When confronted with a request to show
identification inside a hospital corridor, Remi's fighter's opened fire woundi
ng 4 Albanians: Semsija Ceri, Dzevat Ceri, Jeton Muljaj, and Shuban Beahimaj.
There are conflicting stories about what happened next. One version states
that the female UCK threw a grenade forgetting to pull the pin. Her UCK
companion then shot her while berating her for her incompetence. ( numerous
sources )

Remi's attacks against Albanians seemed to quiet down until 10:30 on the
night of 23rd of December when his fighters shot up the "Melisa" cafe in
Kosovska Mitrovica killing 24 year old Naser Haziri and wounding 20 year old
Ljulzim Ademi. Ademi was an Albanian member of the local Yugoslav police and
therefore a target for assassination by Remi. (source Pristina Media Center
23.December)

Moderate Albanian intellectual leaders were a particular target of Remi . For
example, on the 9th of January at 4:00 in the afternoon Enver Maloku was shot
and fatally wounded while stepping out of his car in front of his home in
Prishtina. Maloku was a leading member of the Albanian nationalist political
party known as the LDK as well as a prominant publisher. The LDK was the
chief political rival of the UCK. Maloku's crime in Remi's eyes was
that he advocated a peaceful struggle for independence. Remi considered that
traitorous and therefore assassinated Maloku. (Sources Kosovo Information
Service, Pristina Media Center 10. January)

Even driving a cab using Yugoslav registration was enough to earn a guilty
verdict from Commander Remi. On the morning of January 21s, Fatmir Sheqiri,
21, was found killed at LivaxhÎ, on the Prishtina - Ferizaj roadway. The body
of Fatmir was found in the trunk of his car. It seems he was shot with two
bullets on the neck, whereas signs of violence were all about his body,
according to reports issued by the Pristina Association of Taxi
Drivers. Fatmir was guilty of two crimes the first was working within the
Yugoslav system. The second was to be a 21 year old Albanian and not fighting
with the UCK under Commander Remi. (Source Kosovo Information Service 22.Jan)

Commander Remi seemed to specialize in the bombing of cafes which were
frequented by ethnically mixed groups of youth. At 8:45pm on January 29th ,
Remi's fighters threw a Chinese made hand grenade into the downtown Pristina
"Galerija" Cafe wounding Gordana Miladinovic, Milovan Vujosevic, Milenko
Stojanovic, his sister Mirjana Stojanovic, Miodrag Markovic and Alma
Beljulji, while Nikola Gavrilovic was lightly wounded. The Albanian girl, Alma
Beljuli, was 21 years old and presumably attacked because she was mixing with
Serbians.

Another middle aged Albanian writer was shot and wounded by Remi at the end
of January. Selman Konjusha (50), a Pristina writer, was shot in the entrance
to his flat in downtown Pristina. Konjusha was shot twice - in the chest and
his kidneys - and was taken to the Yugoslav run Pristina surgery clinic in a
critical condition. When operated upon, he had one of his kidneys removed.
(Source Kosovo Information Center)

Two days after the "Galerija" grenade attack, Remi's fighters struck yet
again. This time they attacked two cafes frequented by young Albanians who
were more interested in drinking Fantas and flirting with girls than joining
the UCK extremists shivering in the hills. At 10:00pm a bomb was tossed in
the courtyard of the "GÎzimi II" cafe in downtown Pristina. Luckily it caused
no injuries and only light damage. The Albanian proprietor, Rrahman Ismaili
may also have gotten a little warning from Remi to pay his UCK taxes on time.

Twenty minutes later, an Albanian student was killed, and six other young
Albanians were wounded at 10:20pm on Sunday when a bomb was hurled in the
"Beqa" grill bar in Vellusha street in downtown Pristina, The killed
university student was Osman Ibrahim Gashi (23). An eye-witness, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said a tall man with a black overcoat was seen
leaving the scene and being driven away by a waiting car a few meters away. (
sources
Center for Defense of Human Rights and Freedom, Kosovo Information Center,
and Pristina Media Center 1st February)

The next weekend Remi's fighters were at it again, this time bombing the
"Almir" convenience store in Pristina's Ulpijana suburb and killing 3
Albanians. Storeowner Enver Salja (52) and Viljora Kumoli (16) were killed
outright, while Arton Ajeti (20) died on his was to the hospital. A powerful
explosive device, planted outside the store, went off at around 7 PM local
time, shattering windows of a post office some 100 m away. The BBC reported
that
"those killed were ethnic Albanians who were loyal to Serbia and had
apparently been targeted by separatists." Particularly grisly footage of
Remi's handiwork was shown on CNN with the voiceover " A leg with the shoe
still on and other pieces of mangled bodies were scattered on the city's main
road, and a trail of blood ran along the gutter," The LDK condemned in the
strongest terms "the terrorist attack".

Interestingly, the UCK made no comment on this attack. The attack coincided
with the start of the international conference in Rambouillet, France which
Remi was adamantly against. The day before there had been another bomb attack
in Pristina, this time on a Serb owned bar causing no casualties. It has been
suggested that Remi intended these bombings to undermine the peace talks. (
Reuters, Kosovo Information Center, BBC, CNN 7th Feb)

By the first week of February, the OSCE monitors were deployed throughout
Remi's zone of Operations. One of their reports describes how Remi's men
operated when accosting Albanian villagers. The monitors reported that on
February 5 Arben Rahmani was accosted by three men, one dressed in UCK
uniform, in a vineyard at Pashki Dol Teca. After checking his identity
papers, one of the men used his radio to ask whether the man should be killed
or released.
Before releasing him, the three questioned Rahmani about his relations with
Serbs, how many Serbs were in his village, and what arms the Serbs have. He
was warned not to return to the vineyard on penalty of death (source: KDOM
report 8.Feb)

Remi's methods in harassing Albanian villagers are illuminated by another
OSCE dispatch in which a female resident of Vucitrn reported that on February
6 four "terrorists," one sporting a UCK badge, broke into her home and beat
her with a rifle butt. The "terrorists" allegedly searched the home and took
a rifle, saying they would kill her if she reported to police. ( source: KDOM
report 9. Feb )

Remi's depredations around Vucitrn increased dramatically in the next few
weeks. On Tuesday the 23rd of February at 9:00am an Associated Press
photographer was wounded by UCK fighters in an attack designed to expel
non-Albanian residents of Bukos village near Vucitrn. The previous day, 32
year old Mirko Milosevic was murdered while working in front of his
farmhouse. On Thursday, UCK snipers wounded Milorad Milic also near Vucitrn.
On Saturday, Milan
Milosevic died from torture wounds he received while he was kidnaped on
February 22nd by Remi. ( Kosovo Media Center, Radio Yugoslavia, Kosovo
Information Center, UPI, AP, and AFP)

By the end of February, Remi's fighters turned again to terrorizing Albanians
in Pristina. Automatic gunfire killed Ekrem Gashi and seriously wounded Fahri
Bejti and Genc Nuha as they shopped at a group of Serb owned shops early
Sunday evening on the 28th February. (Kosovo Information Center 1.March)

The next weekend, Remi's attacked the "Kovac" restaurant in the Pristina
suburb of Vranjevac, killing one and wounding seven Albanians who remained in
the city and refused to join the UCK: Agim Revuci was killed, and Saban
Zeciri, Bajram Zakupi, Gani Ismailji, Isa Krasnici, Avdulj Musica, Ismet
Labljani and Arben Tahiri were wounded. (Reuters 6.March)

Nine miles north of Pristina, Remi's men shot two middled aged Serbian
brothers Ljubisa and Radivoje Mitrovic in the back as they tried to escape
being kidnaped on March 3rd . ( March 4th By ANNE THOMPSON (AP) MIJALIC,
Yugoslavia )

Remi did not forget to continue the silencing of the UCK's main rivals the
LDK. On Thursday, March 11th , His fighters assassinated Enver Feka chairman
of the Velika Reka chapter of the LDK outside Vucitrn. Feka was guilty of two
capital offenses in Remi's eyes. First, he led a political party which
advocated peaceful transition to autonomy and Second, he owned a shop which
was frequented by Serbs. ( source: Thursday March 11 6:50 AM ET; By Deborah
Charles Reuters)

Up until now, Remi had spent most of his resources in minor attacks on
moderate Albanians and terrorizing non-Albanians of every persuasion. These
minor attacks and individual murders appeared to be part of a strategy
designed to support a UCK offensive in the Summer. However, events began to
unfold quickly in mid-March and the threat of a Peace Agreement loomed at
Rambouillet.

Remi was adamantly against the Rambouillet Peace Agreement and therefore
attempted to destabilize the situation in the most dramatic fashion. After
meeting with his UCK counterparts who departed on Friday to sign the
Rambouillet Agreement, Remi undertook a bombing campaign of a ferocity
heretofore unknown in Kosovo.

Remi tries to scuttle Peace Talks through bombing campaign Remi's first
series of bombs were set off on Saturday , March 13th ,in the crowded town
marketplaces of Mitrovica and Podujevo. In Podujevo, Remi set two bombs to
blow up 15 minutes apart which would inflict maximum damage to rescue workers
arriving at the scene. The Mitovica bomb exploded only 750 meters from the
OSCE mission there. On this day, Remi killed at least 8 innocent shoppers and
wounded more than 58. At least 40 of the injured in the bombing were
Albanians. The wounded included a eight year old girl who lost both her legs.
10 people were listed in critical condition. Reporters described pools of
blood which lay amid the pulped remains of fruit and vegetable stalls..
Discarded shoes and torn clothing were strewn amid the metal stalls.
(Sources: The Guardian, The Times, UPI, Reuters, AP, March 13th - 15th )

One of Remi's last acts before the UCK demanded cluster bombing of Kosovo
started on March 24th was the drive by machine gunning of 4 traffic cops in
Pristina. (Source Reuters 21st March) This wanton act of violence again
betrayed his remarkable cold blooded attitude towards killing.

However, once the bombing began, Remi proved that while he professed to be
attacking the hated Serbs, his true acts were the expulsion of more than
220,000 Albanians from his zone of operations.

Remi expels the Albanian population Remi began expelling Albanians from the
Llap region once the international monitors pulled out. The sole intent of
this strategy seems to have been to provoke a refugee crisis. Evidently, the
UCK knew it could only rise to power through the maximum suffering of the
very people it purported to be defending.

Chris Bird of the Guardian filed a story on Saturday March 20 which described
how the UCK knocked on people's doors in Srbica telling them they had to
"leave immediately, at one in the morning" as the UCK spread landmines
throughout the village. The villagers then had to walk miles through a wind
swept snowy night.

The tide of UCK induced refugees grew until it reached 160,000 as described
by Lirak Qelaj. Qelaj acted in part as an information officer for Commander
Remi and one of his jobs was to film the plight of displaced Albanian
civilians with a video camera. Qelaj " disclosed that it was KLA advice,
rather than Serbian deportations, which led some of the hundreds of thousands
of Albanians to leave Kosovo" as reported by Jonathan Steele of the Guardian
on
June 30th

In one episode, around 160,000 displaced people were stranded near the
village of Kolic on the east side of the Pristina-Podujevo road. Qelaj said
the UCK " urged the people to go on to the main road and start walking to
Pristina."

Sometime in late April, in the north of the Llap region, the KLA urged
another crowd hiding from the bombing and numbering almost 60,000 to leave
for Macedonia and Albania according to Qelaj.

In Remi's zone of operations alone, the UCK expelled 220,000 Albanians. This
is keeping with the pattern Remi established prior to the bombing. Albanians
were only worthy of decent treatment if they were actively supporting the
UCK. Those who stood on the sidelines were to be used for propaganda purposes
or worse.

After the military occupation of Kosovo by forces led by English General Sir
Micheal Jackson, Remi opened a UCK information center in Pristina. A few
weeks later Remi personally insulted Gen. Jackson for his " lack of respect
for KLA soldiers" and issued veiled threats against the occupation troops. .

Remi Attacks General Jackson

PrishtinÎ, July 3, (Kosovapress)

Following last night's incident in which KFOR soldiers killed two Albanian
civilians and injured two others, KFOR commander Mike Jackson expressed to
the commander of the Llap operative zone, Rrustem Mustafa-Remi his profound
regrets. They met today upon the request of General Jackson. Agim «eku, Chief
of Staff of the KLA also attended the meeting.

Commander Remi expressed his concern over the uncontrolled behavior of some
KFOR soldiers towards Albanian citizens, in particular, towards KLA soldiers
and their superiors. Some incidents between KFOR troops and Albanian
civilians and personnel have been categorically stated as unacceptable. Remi
added that these acts increase the tension between KFOR and Albanians.

In relation to the incident last night which resulted in the death of two KLA
soldiers, Fahri Bici and Avni Liman Dudi, and the injury of two other
civilians, Commander Remi, said this was an undisciplined attacked and was
unacceptable coming from the allies of the Kosovar people.

These actions are not necessary, said Remi, "because, based on information
gathered from eyewitnesses, KFOR soldiers were not in danger. Last night
thousands of citizens were in the streets to celebrate the victory over a
common enemy. Our citizens were celebrating together with KFOR soldiers. This
joy turned to death due to an irresponsible act taken by the KFOR patrol.

"I expect from you that those who committed this act to be held responsible.
I am afraid that among your soldiers there is a lack of respect for KLA
soldiers. It is in our common interest to work together in a mutually
respectful atmosphere between the KLA, the Kosovar civilians and KFOR troops.
We must do everything to make sure these acts will not be repeated again."

KFOR commander Jackson expressed his regrets and apologized for last night's
incident. "Our soldiers did not know that they were KLA soldiers. They felt
they were in danger and they opened fire. "Commander Jackson promised the
case would be investigated fully with all necessary measures taken.

Commander Remi also wanted to clarify with his counterpart the process of
transforming the KLA into a regular army. "We insist, as the people of
Kosova, to keep the continuity of our army. We will not disband our troops
under no condition but we will maintain this organization until we are able
to transform ourselves into a regular army as the agreement stipulated." (End
of Kosovapress release)

Not only does Remi feel he can insult Gen. Jackson directly to his face, Remi
apparently continues to hold fast to the idea that his troops will never
disband. Since the time of Remi's last communique reprinted above, there has
been little news about him. However, the increasing number of mass graves
which are being uncovered in North-East Kosovo seem to be his handiwork.
These mass graves are filled with bodies of civilians murdered after Yugoslav
forces left Kosovo. Remi may be as active as ever, but just not as willing to
grant interviews.

Hi Phil,

Howya' doin? Haven't heard from you in a while. Glad you're back.

Re: Venik

I think you slightly missed the point. Venik was using this particular incident and the coinciding circumstances as an example of why it's often difficult to take NATO's information releases as factual. He asks, why such secrecy surrounding this crashed helicopter, when other similar incidents are routinely reported. Could it have had some connection to other activities occurring nearby at the same time.

I seem to have lost my link to Venik's site, otherwise I'd post it for you. BTW - I'm NOT recommending it, because I don't think it's very reliable, but he's kind of an interesting weapons and war planes groupie.

Suitboy (aka tommygunns)

Suitboy
I don't need to look that up. Your behaviour Unfortuanetly speaks for itself. And of course the people you attracked