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 maja
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I have already wrote that CNN reported it. But with an hour delay. Even though they have a live picture from Tv Serbia. They could have told the news the same moment. But they didn't. Why? Cause they have to check with somebody if they can. Talk about free press.


   
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 nick
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John Paul, Hi !

My friends and I have been reading your "material" over the past days. You are very good at repeating the same version of events. Did you have a look at what other people had to say on this site, and this other "www.truthinmedia.org" (truth in media). You should then be very surprised by other people's opinion (yes, there is one !) and perhaps come up with a more objective/open approach. Tonight, will you be maintaining that no stealth airplane was shot down as NATO has done so far ? I cannot wait to find out.

Nicolas Blanc


   
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 dave
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Sure looks like an American a/c to me. Think they got one.


   
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 nick
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To: anyone who believes USA are bombing for humanitarian reasons:

65 human beings die of starvation every minute, somewhere in the world. Would it not make sense for the US to allocate as little as one per cent of the military budget towards feeding the above people ?

Nicolas Blanc


   
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 maja
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Nick, that is not in the national interest I suppose. Strange country, strange interests.


   
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(@wiseowl)
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Europe and the West were prepared to let the Serbs
kill and rape in Bosnia as long as it "squared
off" the boundaries between Christians and Moslems
in Europe. However, if the atrocities led to war
among other states that could infect Macedonia and
lead to war between Greece and Turkey, the Western
Powers would have to act.

The Serbs went too far. Unfortunately, they were
allowed to kill, rape and plunder with NO PENALTY,
so of course they are doing it again. Milosavich
is a war criminal. There is no doubt of that.
Genocide is an international crime. However, the
United Nations cannot bring him to trial because
the Russians would veto any action.

The Russians have shown their true colors once
again - upholders of every imaginable crime
throughout history, including genocide of their
own people by Stalin etc., and allies of Hitler
against Poland (where 8,000 officers were murdered
by Russians). Thank goodness Russia's economy is
now about the same size as the state of Illinois.

So what happens now? The Yugoslavs (all
varieties) are some of the toughest fighters in
the world. They can withstand air strikes,
because they have seen the Iraqis survive the same
attacks. NATO will either escalate the attacks,
or keep raining down bombs for two weeks and then
declar "victory."

But there are people being marched out of their
homes and murdered, every day, in Kosovo. These
are war crimes. This time, with so many nations
lined up on the same side of this issue, we WILL
convene war crimes tribunals and Milosavich and
his generals, and the police and soldiers who have
murdered so callously will be brought to justice.

We need more voices calling for Milosavich to be
brought to trial, and more brave individuals
willing to press charges in various court venues.
God be with the brave people of Kosovo.


   
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(@marcus)
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if you need medicine in Yugoslavia, call us!
sales@tdinfo.com


   
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 mc
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In order to help people in Yugoslavia, pls

send lettles to friends in Yugoslavia,
import products to Yugpslavia,
keep on doing business with Yugoslavia,

clinton likes to kill;
we like to HELP!


   
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(@antispiro)
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Thanks for Spiro Dreamer!

If anyone wants to save his/her child, s/he may go to kill Spiro's child.
Spiro likes the idea 'kill to save'.

Spiro also saying 'Judge may hold the gun to kill'. So if you like killing, buy a gun, put "Judge" on your name card, go to spiro's house, then you may kill his/her children.

Spiro invits anyone who has the POWER to kill his/her children!!

What a nice American guy!!


   
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 bill
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Let's free Yugoslavia!

we, NATO, the police of the world, has the right to bomb and free the people in Yugoslavia.


   
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(@darkrussian)
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Dear Wise Owl,
Evil and cruel russians have just hacked

www.whitehouse.gov and
www.nato.int


   
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(@michelarkes)
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SOMETHING NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND IS THE REASON WHY YUGOSLAVIA WON'T SIGN THE 'PEACE TREATY.' PART OF THE DEAL IS, YUGOSLAVIA MUST ALLOW THOUSANDS OF FOREIGN TROOPS INTO ITS COUNTRY. NOT EVEN UN TROOPS, BUT NATO TROOPS. THE REASONING IS THAT THEY ARE NEEDED TO KEEP THE PEACE. UNFORTUNATELY NATO IS LIKE THE WINDOW SALESMAN, THAT SNEAKS AROUND AT NIGHT SMASHING WINDOWS.
NO SOVEREIGN NATION WILL ACCEPT FOREIGN TROOPS ON THEIR SOIL.IF THE 'PEACE TREATY' DID NOT HAVE THIS CLAUSE IN IT, IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR YUGOSLAVIA TO SIGN IT.EVEN CHANGING IT TO UN TROOPS RATHER THAN NATO TROOPS, MAY MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE.


   
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(@michelarkes)
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During war it is impossible to get the whole story from just one source, therefore it is important to look at all available perspectives. On the Serbia-info link you can even post direct questions to top Yugoslavian government officials. In order to access the english language version be sure to click 'English'on the upper right corner of the eunet site.
Click on these links for direct access to Yugoslavian Sites http://www.eunet.yu http://www.serbia-info.com/news

Just for the record, I am an American citizen who believes strongly in the truth. I am not Pro-Yugo or Anti-US, but I am definatelly Anti-BS. So I am doing my part to find and share the truth.
For all you happy folk out there who feel NATO is doing a such great job, I encourage you to urge similar action on behalf of the Chiapas people of Mexico, the Amazon Indians of Brazil, Palestinians in Israel, the Kurds in Turkey, the Rwandans, the Tibetans, the Timorese of Indonesia,etc.
In fact since we are suddenly feeling so self righteous, we should begin preparations for the Genocide Trial of the USA for the genocidal massacre of the American Indians and call the Australians in as defendants as well. The Hawaiians have a strong case too since it has been legally recognized that their Nation was stolen from them and their Queen, Liliokalani was illegally overthrown by the United States. The British should be tried for the Opium wars.Those quaint 'Tea Clippers' were actually dope smuggling opium ships.When the Chinese Emperor outlawed opium, the British declared war and grabbed Hong Kong to ensure a safe drug smuggling base. Their descendents are still living off the profit.Lets haul them in to court and bomb them if they don't comply. Hell, while we are at it, I would like NATO to bomb my neighbor too, since he trespassed on our land and smashed our family's encampment to pieces.
Let’s get real folks. NATO ain’t doing jacksh_t except using up its arsenal of $700,000 bombs and missiles. Only as long as it is economically or politically profitable, will our modern day leaders act. I don't care if they are US leaders, Russian, Yugoslavian, whatever they are all a bunch of scammers and nothing but puppets. There ain’t much we can do about them, but what we can do is not be suckers and swallow all the pseudo-moral BS excuses that they shovel at us. Keep your integrity and remember IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE UNJUST TO PROVIDE JUSTICE. The US, in particular, has been directly responsible for massacres and atrocities of enormous proportions, from recent times, in Latin America, to the massacre of the Indians and to the virtually unknown but true massacre of nearly 2 million Filipinos in the early 1900s.
So in conclusion, I am encouraging everyone to demand justice at home before trying to enforce justice on others. Once America's own house is in order, perhaps then we can start helping others achieve justice.


   
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(@zoran)
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Dear list members,
Here in Yugoslavia,the situation is getting worse.Nato missiles are missing
the targets,and hitting the civilian targets,schools,buildings.We confirmed the
information by telephone calls(luckily the phones are working)So this is not
the Serbian propagandha,but I myself made telephone calls and confirmed it.
Some poisonous bombs were thrown,so people are suffocating. Can anybody spare time to look at the chart,At the moment I am so disturbed
and frankly see everything bad.Thanks to dear Sanjay,Shamin and all others.
Sanjay,Do you think that this horror will last until 16.04. We will have difficulties to survive by than.
God Bless you all,
Zoran


   
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(@olgainyugo)
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This is the message from a friend of mine writing from Belgrade.


Forwarded message



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:26:37 +0100
From: Olga Miseska-Tomic
Subject: humanitarian catastrophy

Victor Frieman has asked me to tell him whatever I can about the
situation in Yugoslavia: the are no first hand reports, since the
journalists have been expelled from the country. So, he is asked for
information. Here is my insiders view of the situation. I think it would
be of interest for all Slavists, since the existence of a Slavic people
is at stake. Could you disseminate it?

On March 20th the Belgrade opposition weekly "Vreme" stated that
Milosevic has made it possible for America to strengthten its
domination, to NATO to show its force, and to Russia to pretend to be
more important than it really is.

Yes, Milosevic made it possible for Clinton, Madelene, Blair, NATO to do
what they wanted but did not have an excuse to do. NATO is not bombing
Milosevic. And the "International Community" (whatever that is) is not
saving the Albanian people. They are hitting both Serbs and Albanians.
So far, ten soldiers (young 18 year-olds) and two policemen have been
killed and more than fifty civilians, both Serbs and Albanians.

We hear that five NATO planes have been destroyed (two of them last
night on Fruska Gora.) I haven't seen the planes, but I do hope that is
true (the pilots have been saved, they say). If there are losses,
Clinton and Madelene might be forced to reconsider what they are doing!
The major result from the bombing seems to be that fighting in Kosovo is
ferocious and all the Serbs have come to hate America, England, France
and Germany. People DO enlist. The husbands and sons of many people I
know have enlisted voluntarily. The country is invaded. We are doomed
anyway. All normal activities have been suspended. Schols and
universities are closed. Food stores were emptied. No gas. No
transportation. We still have electricity - I do not know for how long.
There is no heating; but that we do not need so much: spring has come,
and that is the only good thing that has happened to us.

During the first night (24th-25th of March) 24 cities or towns in
Yugoslavia were bombed. In Belgrade, the alarm was sounded at 7.20 and
went off at 11, then was sounded at 3.30 and went off at 7. in the
morning, to be sounded aain at 8.30 (It went off sometime in the
afternoon). Last night we had alarm at 8.30 - it went of at 11. It is
quiter since. Most people are in their houses. There are no proper
shelters. At this moment I hear on the radio that Fruska Gora is being
bombed and that two planes were hit there.

I had classes in Novi Sad on Wednesday and at 5 p.m. I drove home to
Belgrade passing by the police school in Novi Sad which was hit at 8.30
p.m. Several houses around it were destroyed. The people of Novi Sad was
taken at a surprise, because it was generally believed that Novi Sad and
Podgorica would be spared. So, the population of Novi Sad have spent the
whole night and the whole day in shelters (Novi Sad has good shelters;
unlike Belgrade). I kept telephoning the whole day yeserday, none of my
colleagues was at home. This morning I got on the phone the father of
one of my assistants and he told me that they have been sleeping in the
shelters. He was indignant. He says that the people in the shelters were
indignant. No hope. NATO does whatever they want with us! We are doomed!
(Mind you, he is not a Milosevic man; rather, he sympathised with
Coalition for Vojvodina, which wants greater authonomy for Vojvodina.).

The missiles are not as precise as NATO purports they are. Three schools
have been hit in the industrial section of Belgrade, Rakovica. In
Kursumlija a missile hit the section of the town where the refugees from
Bosnia lived and many were killed. A missile hit and destroyed and
Albanian village and a Serbian one. Many TV transmittors and telephone
connections have been damaged. The army barracks are vacated, so the
result of all the bombing of barracks was that they killed the wives and
children of several army officers who withdrew from Bosnia, and whose
families were living near the barracks in Pristina. The airport to the
north of Belgrade which was the target of the first attack has been
displaced. So, all the missiles fell there in vain. The only non-civil
targets destroyed are three factories producing plastic material (which
is connected with the army). The air-bases have all been displaced. The
army changes its position permanently. So, the missiles cannot hit the
targets which they have planned to hit. The only way for them to be
"successful" is to start bombing without any planning (which I sincerely
hope they do not want to do).

The prospects are gloomy. Madelene expects Milosevic to give in, but he
will not. Now he has the whole people united in the resistance to the
NATO attacks. The people know that it is impossible to win a war against
such a power. But they are still resolute to fight. This is the
beginning of the end of the Serbs. "Striving to save the Kosovo
Albanians", NATO is initiating the extermination of the Serbs.

As for me, I am trying to work but it is difficult. I spent the past two
nights watching the news from all parts of Europe and CNN (I have a
satelite television). Yesterday, while they were bombing, I spent the
day running around for food. I have food for several weeks now (some of
it will go bad if electricity goes off). It is good I did that, since
today the shops are empty today. We are completely paralized.

Will contact you again if I can. Tell people that both Serbs and
Albanians are suffering after the bombing. There has to be another way
to resolve the Kosovo problem. Not through Milosevic! He does not care
for the pressure. He gloats on it.
Olga

P.S. The American journalists would not give you the right picture of
the situation anyway. The other night I watched the reporting of the
journalists on CNN, BBC and two German stations. They were seeing some
orange balls in the distance and guessing what that might be. What is
the use of this? I am somehow glad they were asked to leave the country.
WE FEEL LIKE BEING THROWN IN THE ARENA TO BE EATEN BY THE NATO
GLADIATORS TO OFFER PLEASURE TO THE TV WATCHERS IN AMERICA AND WESTERN
EUROPE.
--
Olga Miseska Tomic
Department of English
Faculty of Philosophy
University of Novi Sad
YU 21000 Novi Sad


   
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