https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/ Disaster Message Service Discussion Board en-US Fri, 01 May 2026 14:42:15 +0000 wpForo 60 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22694 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:33:00 +0000 Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22694 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22693 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:26:00 +0000
It is a typical, let's lump Europe into one easy to understand homogenous whole. Both Russians and Americans fall for it. The article is based on France, with the odd statistic thrown in for Italy and Germany.

France has a long history of "preseving" it's own culture and language. The French language was promoted to such an extent, that most of French are now monolingual and proud of it!

As for the rest it's no secret and nothing new.
Europeans simply believe they are superior to Americans.They have since 1492!]]> Second Chechen War nemesis https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22693 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22692 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:11:00 +0000 again?

One video edited in Serbia? v another edited in England. We have already proved that images can lie, surely.]]> Second Chechen War nemesis https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22692 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22691 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:04:00 +0000
http://www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/giu2000/032700.ASP]]> Second Chechen War nemesis https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22691 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22690 Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:27:00 +0000 IGOR - SHUT UP!!


YOU ARE THE MOST BORING GOY ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET.


The Sephardic are against this, but a part of me wishes that your parents should have used some from of birth control.

Now take a break (preferably permanently!) or else the Sepharidc may have to 'teach' you that lesson.]]> Second Chechen War jakeb https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/4/#post-22690 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22689 Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:07:00 +0000 Second Chechen War news https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22689 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22688 Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:51:00 +0000 http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/today/news_830f3192c0b6c1580010.html]]> Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22688 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22687 Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:50:00 +0000
By Vernon Loeb Washington Post, 4/9/2000


ASHINGTON - The CIA has dismissed one intelligence officer and reprimanded six managers, including a senior official, for errors that led to the US bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia last year, officials said yesterday.


The CIA director, George J. Tenet, took the disciplinary action late last week after two internal reviews of the May 7 bombing, which killed three Chinese citizens, wounded more than 20 others, and deeply strained US-Chinese relations.


The United States has apologized to Beijing and offered $28 million to the families of those who died. But China rejected explanations and demanded that the United States conduct ''a thorough investigation'' and ''severely punish the perpetrators.''


A CIA spokesman, Bill Harlow, said yesterday that the reviews had concluded that intelligence officers had meant to target a Yugoslav arms agency but had marked the wrong building on a map. ''The evidence shows that this was clearly a tragic accident,'' he said.


Officials at the Chinese Embassy in Washington could not be reached last night for comment.


The CIA did not release the names of the officers who have been punished.


Roy W. Krieger, a lawyer representing one of the reprimanded managers, denounced Tenet's action.


''It's shameful that the CIA caved in to political pressure to produce scapegoats,'' Krieger said. ''It has already been publicly admitted that the map which these officers used contained errors, absent which the embassy would not have been mistakenly targeted. The result may have been tragic, but the failure was systemic, and the remedy cannot be retribution.''


Shortly after US B-2 bombers struck the embassy in central Belgrade, Tenet and other senior officials accepted responsibility and promised an investigation. The error was particularly embarrassing to the CIA because the Yugoslav arms agency was the only target chosen by the CIA during the entire 78-day NATO air campaign.


Most of the 900 targets struck during the raids were chosen by NATO and the US military's European Command. But as NATO forces began to run short of sites to bomb, US intelligence agencies were invited to propose targets.


According to the CIA, an intelligence officer in the Directorate of Operations, the agency's clandestine branch, obtained the correct address of the Yugoslav Federal Directorate of Supply and Procurement, No. 2 Umetnosti Blvd. But the 2-year-old map used for targeting did not show the numbers of the buildings on that street, so the officer used the numbering of buildings on parallel streets to mark what he thought was the Yugoslav arms agency.


The intelligence officer then took the map to an expert in aerial photography who determined coordinates for the building. A crosscheck of various databases listing sensitive sites, such as schools, hospitals and embassies, failed to catch the error because the data had not been updated after the Chinese Embassy moved from another part of Belgrade in 1996.


Harlow said yesterday that a key finding of the CIA reviews was that ''the CIA lacked formal procedures for preparing and forwarding target nomination packages to the US military.''


Harlow said he could not comment on classified procedures that have been implemented to prevent such targeting errors in the future. He also declined to comment on Tenet's disciplinary action, other than to say that ''numerous CIA officers at all levels of responsibility failed to ensure that the intended bombing targets - the Yugoslav Federal Directorate of Supply and Procurement headquarters - had been properly identified and precisely located before CIA passed a target nomination package to the US military for action.''


One senior intelligence official, who asked not to be quoted by name, confirmed that the operations officer reponsible for identifying the arms agency headquarters on the map was fired and escorted out of CIA headquarters late Thursday.


On Friday, the official said, Tenet took disciplinary actions against a senior official and five other managers ranging from oral warnings to letters of reprimand that impose one-year probationary periods in which the officials will not be eligible for promotions, financial awards, or other forms of recognition.


The senior official is below the level of the agency's seven deputy directors but among the next tier of top managers, numbering several dozen, the official said.


Two of the disciplined line managers, the official said, have also been directed by Tenet to develop case studies identifying ''lessons learned'' for use in training other agency personnel. Another CIA officer on assignment at another intelligence agency, the official said, will also receive ''counseling'' as a result of mistakes in the bombing.


Tenet, however, has also identified one near-hero. According to Harlow, the CIA director praised one intelligence analyst for ''going well beyond the call of duty to try to rescind what he believed - correctly in hindsight - were discrepancies in the target's location.''


The midlevel analyst, who worked for another intelligence agency but was assigned to CIA headquarters, persistently questioned the targeting of the arms agency, based on his personal familiarity with the building's location in Belgrade.


The analyst also expressed his doubts in a telephone call May 4, three days before the strike, to an officer at a European Command task force in Naples, Italy.


When the analyst returned from the training exercise May 7 and saw the arms agency on that day's target list, he again called Naples. But the officer with whom he spoke believed the analyst was only questioning whether the building was the agency's headquarters, not whether it belonged to the agency at all.]]> Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22687 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22686 Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:46:00 +0000
At only thirty minutes in length, Judgment does not waste time on lengthy exposition or meaningless quotes by "experts" sitting in book-filled libraries. It is based entirely on facts – more specifically, the footage filmed by a Serbian radio-television crew in Omarska and Trnopolje in the summer of 1992, at the same time as the ITN TV crew was putting together their infamous "death camp" story.

The ITN crew is shown picking a location in the Trnopolje refugee camp to film from, then picking their interviewees, all in a way calculated to create an impression of a concentration camp. It becomes obvious at the very beginning that ITN had full cooperation of the Serbian authorities, which had nothing to hide. The contrast between footage seen in this film and the shots ITN made infamous around the world is startling.

But Judgment goes further. We are shown the step-by-step process of doctoring the photos, used by ITN editors. In just a few tricks of the editing software, pictures of refugees outside a fenced-in storage area morph into what appear to be pictures of tortured inmates in a "death camp."

All this is done with the minimum of editorializing. Judgment uncovers a vicious lie in a somewhat minimalist fashion. Given that ITN’s report was all editorializing, based on no facts, this is strangely appropriate.

As its producers say, this documentary will change minds. It does not aspire to match the slick, careful presentation of fantasies that the media like ITN have so specialized in. Instead, it presents the simple truth, with shattering effects to the deeply rooted current propaganda. And it does it exceptionally well.

This short film packs a powerful punch. After you see it, you will never see a TV report the same way again to order tape

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"It is in Russia's interest to return to cold war politics, not America's "

No, absolutely not.
It's not America's or Europe's or nobodies.
But the West is very slow to adapt to new situations. They are realy old poeple with old prejudices and old shortsighted mind.

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OldAmerican

"Would somebody tell Mr. Putin that the elections are over..."

No, and if you don't know why, it's because you don't know him.]]> Second Chechen War fredledingue https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-april-9-2000/paged/3/#post-22685