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By TORNADO ( - 172.155.195.114) on Tuesday, August 1, 2000 - 09:09 pm:
THX1138

You sound like an intelligent person. Do you monitor the activites at Serbia Cafe as well? That documenation will be forthcoming. Thanks.




TORNADO,

here is more about me:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4456/thx1138.html

Have you checked out the DMS Yugoslavia board?


   
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(@delenn)
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The International Crisis Group was mentioned, implying it a source of "reliable" info. "Analyses, projects" , etc., there's a catch though - how this org. can be impartial, if it employs as a Senior "Consultant" the infamous Susan Blaustein (while ramblings of her sort are absent from ICG pages, they are sent to e-mail subscribers); on Jul. 29, 1998, the Alb. Govt. announced that 76 top NATO officers were in Tirana, to plan "joint Albania-NATO exercises" from Aug. 17 to Aug. 22, 1998, within 50 miles of the border with Kosovo. The maneuvers would've prepared NATO and Albanian troops for a "peacekeeping mission". These maneuvers were recommended in a March 20, 1998, position paper of the International Crisis Group, a think-tank with White House ties, headed by former Senate Democratic Leader George Mitchell and financed by both Western governments and private foundations. (Why, he-heh, is the whining about Georgia, Chechniya?)


   
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Media Sales Foreshadow Plight of the Oligarchs
2330 GMT, 000802

Russian business tycoon Boris Berezovsky revealed Aug. 2 that he is in negotiations to turn over his 6.5 percent stake in the ORT television network to the Russian government. Berezovsky, who is under criminal investigation for tax evasion and fraud, said that his control of the station had fulfilled its purpose, and that it was now time for the state to control his shares. Berezovsky’s announcement of the negotiations to hand-over ORT may be a desperate attempt to recast Russian President Vladimir Putin as a Stalinist who continues to tighten his grip on the media.

On Aug. 2, Berezovsky told his newspaper Kommersant that, “We are on a high road to democracy. That’s why the state itself should speak about everything on ORT and answer for it.” Berezovsky’s statement suggests that the Kremlin is using the negotiation over his 6.5 percent stake in ORT as leverage in the ongoing criminal investigations against him. The Russian government already holds a 51 percent stake in ORT, although Berezovsky allies are on the board of directors. Press Minister Mikhail Lesin denied any knowledge of the ORT deal, which was leaked by an inside Kremlin source on Aug. 1.

Berezovsky’s apparent deal for ORT is the latest salvo in a long-running series of attacks that Putin has launched against the so-called oligarchs. For example, Russian tax police raided Vladimir Gusinsky’s Media-MOST offices in Moscow on the morning of May 11, an event that marked the beginning of the oligarch crackdown. Gusinsky was later arrested and thrown in jail for alleged property theft. Charges were later dropped, and Gusinsky fled to Spain.

The Financial Times reported Aug. 2 that investment bankers had converged on the offices of Gusinsky’s Russian media holding Media-MOST in order to value it for sale. The Financial Times cited an unnamed source close to the negotiations who said that an agreement was already in place to sell a majority stake in the company to the state gas concern, Gazprom. The gas giant already holds a 14 percent stake in Media-MOST, as well as a 30 percent stake in a Media-MOST holding, NTV television.

An investigation into Berezovksy’s involvement with fraudulent dealings at the state-run Aeroflot airline and state run car maker AvtoVAZ signaled the start of the campaign against Berezovsky. Other Russian businessmen have become targets as well, as Putin continues his campaign to reign in corruption in the Russian economy.

Like Gusinsky before him, Berezovsky is now faced with a choice of whether to flee or fight. If he goes, he may be able to salvage some of his corporate holdings and avoid prosecution. If he decides to keep fighting, he may force Putin to use extreme measures to remove him, or hold out long enough for the West to tell Putin to back off. After a successful Gazprom bid for Media-MOST however, the Kremlin may branch out and try to recover the assets of other key industries within Russia, further subjecting the former oligarchs to more property seizures. Berezovsky’s publicizing of the ORT transfer negotiations are simply a last ditch attempt to get the West involved before that process begins.


   
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Abandoned
Chechnya's Russian victims

Parlamentskaya Gazeta, No. 138 (518), July 25, 2000
Translated from the Russian


Russian refugees from Chechnya

Their new home is a bunker which floods out after every rain. And they sleep on bare mattresses on beds propped up on piles of bricks instead of legs. "We've gone from the catacombs of Grozny to yet another basement", the refugees joke. But they're glad to have even this shelter, which was provided by local Cossacks. The health service is demanding healthier living conditions, but where can they move to? Well-built housing for refugees remains just an empty promise. "We're on the road to nowhere", the refugees say.

Among them are scientists, for example an instructor with 40 years' experience from the ecology department of the University of Grozny, a laboratory head, kind and intelligent Ilya Iosifovich Doroshenko, and chemistry professor Viktor Stepanovich Sopelnik, who was wounded in the head in January during the bombardment. Now he's been sent to recuperate at the village hospital of the "Terek" sovkhoz, where another 40 people wounded in Grozny, for the most part elderly Russians, are hospitalized.

Among the refugees are engineers, adjusters, oilmen, builders, and medical personnel, each with decades of experience. Their hands built Grozny, a city established two centuries ago by Russian soldiers and local Cossacks under the command of General Yermolova. I wonder if the founders of Grozny could have imagined what their descendants would live through at the end of the 20th Century? For the last ten years what's happened to Russians and other nationalities in Chechnya can only be described as genocide. According to statistics, more that 21,000 Russians were killed in Chechnya in 1996 alone! Why is that fact never mentioned by "defenders of civil rights"? At the beginning of the 90's Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Greeks and Jews made up more than half the republic's population. Now only a handful of Russians remain in Chechnya. What happened to the other hundreds of thousands?

I have in front of me the death certificate of 76-year old Grozny resident Anfisa Panfilovna Makeyeva. Under "cause of death" it is written: "gunshot wound and signs of a violent death". Issued in the City of Grozny, November 10, 1996 (this was already after the signing of the shameful Khasaviurt Agreement). Anfisa Panfilovna's daughter, Maria Dimura, hands me, with tears in her eyes, yet another death certificate, that of her son Sergei, killed at the age of 29 on January 8, 1997. Cause of death: "deep stab wound in the stomach, damage to the stomach and intestine". The certificate is stamped with a wolf, the seal of the the Republic of Ichkeria. [The Republic of Ichkeria was the official name of the unrecognized Maskhadov regime in Chechnya, which existed from 1996 to 1999.]

How many such certificates were issued in Chechnya in recent years? We'll never know. Murders of Russians weren't even investigated, simply reported in the daily chronicle of events. Russians were killed for their apartments, for their miserly pensions, or for the simple reason that they were not Chechens. Enraged bandits didn't even disdain the rape and murder of old women. And men were driven like cattle, at the barrel of machine-guns, to dig trenches and reservoirs for the production of bootleg gasoline. Vitaly Moroz, who worked as a trench-digger, is still recovering at a hospital in Mozdok. To regain his health he'll need expensive medicine and quality food, which the hospital's meager budget can't pay for.

Doctors don't divide their patients along national lines. At the beginning of May a highly-awarded veterinarian, Yevdokia Ivanovna Nikitchenko, had her leg blown off by a mine in front of her home in Grozny. Gangrene had set in by the time she was delivered to Mozdok. It was too late to save her.

But doctors are fighting for the lives of others. Eight-year old Shamsutdin Idigov, a Chechen, was hit by a car while playing. The boy barely knows any Russian so his mother Tamara, a pretty light-haired woman, translates. She has not forgotten her Russian, nor how her family once lived so peacefully and calmly in bygone years. She curses the rebels.

In the same ward lies a recently-freed hostage, Lyudmila Leonidovna Gryaznova. She spent more than a year in captivity. She was stopped while walking to work one day and forced into a car at gunpoint. The months to follow would be filled with pain and despair. For five months they held her in a dirty, damp basement, where she was insulted and abused. Then a new "master" appeared, who took her to the mountains in the Vedeno region, holding her in a camouflaged pit in the woods so small she could not even stand up. A liter of water and half of a flat cake was her daily ration.

Field engineers spent an entire day clearing the mines from the path to Lyudmila's prison. Her relatives learned of her liberation from the TV news.

Physical pain can be tolerated, but what about moral suffering? Victims of the first Chechen war still haven't received compensation for their lost property. Nor have they received salaries or pensions. And some have even failed to qualify for the one-time relief payment of 83 rubles! The Immigration Service complains of the lack of laws relating to aid for refugees from Chechnya.

The only means of survival for many Russian refugees in Mozdok is the once-daily meal provided through the help of the International Red Cross. But how much food can be bought on 13 rubles [50 cents], the daily allotment for each refugee? Sometimes there's a bread distribution, or a shipment of humanitarian aid.

And what about tomorrow? Mozdok is unable to accomodate everyone. Recently a basement refugee in Lukovskaya, lawyer and musician Garik Mnatsakanov, went mad. His mother doesn't know what to do with her son. He doesn't recognize anyone, and constantly tries to break out of the damp cellar. Doctors say that that this is a normal reaction to constant stress...

But then nearly all the residents in his basement are seriously ill. Refugees need proper care and rehabilitation. But even the local head of the Immigration Service began threatening people with his fists when they came to him for the upteenth time to ask about their future fate. Maybe his nerves just gave out too?

Sometimes the refugees are reproached for remaining in the hell of Grozny until the last. But work, home, and the graves of their ancestors held them there. And they always considered themselves citizens of Russia.

In their address to the State Duma the refugees ask that deputies at last pass a law defining their status and qualifying them for payments and compensation for lost property. They're waiting for an answer. Their address remains the same: village of Lukovskaya, Mozdok, Ingushetia.

Yelena Badyakina
Mozdok


   
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Somebody tell Igor - he is the most repulsive, boring Russian beggar goy on the face of the planet. AND A COWARD

This welfare Russian should concentrate on finding a job, not boring decent people on the message boards

The day will coem when the Sephardic will teach Igor and his filthy kind a lesson they will never forget.


   
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(@delenn)
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Igor,
what do You think of it, re: material under the link of Thursday, August 3, 2000 - 12:28 am


   
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Privet Igor, Zdorovo Dima! Hello everybody, its me and im back. Ultra Russian Nationalist. What the hell is up with the private posting area and requirement to sign up? Weird...


   
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Delenn I think some of it has merit.If I were in gov't and understood inner workings of it I would be able to make a better judgement.Honestly I did not have time to read it thoroughly so I cannot really give an honest evaluation.But with the way things happen in the world my gut inctinct would say it is very possible.ZDAROV ULTRA how are you long time no see.We have got rid of all the a..h...s except fpor this clown Bernswein.Did you see his picture what a goof


http://home.earthlink.net/~calknight/Pic.htm


   
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A DISASTER MESSAGE, THURSDAY PM
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ANOTHER DAY
ANOTHER BORROWED MACHINE
READING THE SAME OLD SHITE
FROM
BER-STEEEEN
-_-
==
first the _virus_ got fixt
then the _monitor_ got replaced
now the _machine_ has bit the shed...maybe...
and could be cannibalized into
a NEW IMPROVED MACHINE...
==
thx:
and to think all that venomous _rhetoric_ comes from a geo. lucas fanboy...chuckle
[insert the usual attempt at a nasty retort...zzzz....]
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(@delenn)
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Igor, I read it, but not with all linked references. I'd say the man, who claimed he had worked with some intelligence agency, makes inconsistencies hardly proving he had really worked for it.


   
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Chorny Volk, privet. Ya tebya znau? Eto tbl Igor? Tot pidaras v fotographie pohozh na etu obizyanu LOL. Ny rozha. AAHHHAHAHAHAHA.


   
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Ultra eto Igor.I could not get on board and had to change my name as did some other people.


   
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Ultra we now go to Serbian Cafe'.They have some idiots over there that need to be straightened out.Here is the link.


http://209.207.216.17/forums/topics/poi1.shtml


   
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I HAD TO CHANGE MY NAME TO, AND I CHANGED IT TO SUPREME_SOVIET. BUT IT DISPLAYS IT AS JOHN DOE. OH WELL. AS LONG AS YOU KNOW ITS ME. SO HOW HAVE YOU BEEN. HOW IS THE HOUSE? WHATS NEW AROUND HERE?


   
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