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Russians are truely the filthiest form of SUB HUMAN life on the planet today. Most Russian men are terrorists and most russian women are prostitutes.They are a sickening people. The Russian flag should be used to clean the dirtiest public toilets. We burnt the Russian flag, We wasted a match.

The begger bowl nation of russia is doomed. They are bankrupt third world nation, run by gangsters and terrorists. Moscow is the kidnapping capital of the world. Everywhere russian women are stripping of and selling their bodies.

I think that berstein guy was right when he said Russians were filthy pigs. However i do not want to insult pigs by comparing them to russians

Soon the fat pig who runs russia will be dead and this begger bowl nation will totally collapse. The only good thing about being russian is you don't have to feel ashamed when begging]]> Second Chechen War rogermatesson https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9144 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9143 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:53:00 +0000 Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9143 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9142 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:46:00 +0000 Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9142 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9141 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:29:00 +0000
I rest my case.]]> Second Chechen War bones https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9141 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9140 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:24:00 +0000 Yes, Bosnian Croats and Muslims also committed crimes against the Serbs (and against each other). This has been reported and documented.
But don't forget that Milosevich & Company started the war & ethnic cleansing along a well planned systematic campaign against the Yugoslav minorities. This created a chain-reaction on all sides. So the Serb agression and the silly idea of creating a Greater Serbia by dominating all other minorities or simply throw them out, was the principal cause for the terror and mass-murder by the Serbs. This does not justify crimes against the Serbs, but justifies international action against them. After defeat of the Serbs (largely by Croats) the killings halted, except for minor casualties. Same story in Kosovo (although here we have to admit that remaining Serb civilians were insufficiently protected by NATO). Milosevitch & Company wanted to subdue the majority of 90% of the Albanian population. Without Nato intervention he may have kicked them all out.
Hitler, by creating WWII and mass-murdering Jews and Romas, was virtually solely responsable for the war. Particularly after the war a great number of Germans (and other minorities) perished through revenge killings in various countries, particularly in Eastern Europe (including Serbia). Millions of innocent Germans were thrown out of various Eastern European countries. This does not justify killings and ethnic cleansing of these innocent people at all. But the cause for all this was Hitler and his Nazis. Therefore the war by the allies was a just war. The result was a better Germany and peace over most of central Europe. Nato intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo did stop the Serb genocide and ethnic cleansing. Since there has been no complete defeat for the Serbs (war criminals roam at large), the situation is still unsettled, but wastly improved.
Chechny: since this is not a just war, as Russia claims it to be, the outcome of this one will be more political instability instead. The worst, however, is the indiscriminate targeting of innocent civilians, children, women and old men.
International pressure to stop this may have had an effect already. Fight terrorism, but not an entire population!]]> Second Chechen War luna https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/4/#post-9140 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9139 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:42:00 +0000 Even stranger thing is that Samashki have been under control of Russian army for a while now so there is absolutely no way she could have been on that territory. Another thing why I think this is BS is because Russian soldiers know that there is no point to surrender because they know that Chechen will execute them, the only difference will be in front of camera. So I’m sorry but I don’t buy any of information that Maria Eismont have wrote there, she just repeated what other western news have reported. I mean if she was there (which I doubt) she could have got some pictures but western media have provided nothing to back up their statements. I never told you that you have to believe what state run sources saying but sometimes even thinking in your own head helps to see that some things just don’t match. Yes I do know that Russian army lost more soldiers than they report but trust me it’s not anywhere close to what rebels report.]]> Second Chechen War svoloch https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9139 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9138 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:35:00 +0000
A bit late but better late than never. You questioned my sources of information stating that they were pro-western. Well today while reading the Institute for War & Peace which is an independent news source, I ran across this little bit of news. You argued that this events stats were quoted incorrectly and that only 4 dead and 38 wounded (close to your figures) was the REAL numbers but here we have an independent source stating that differently.

"Life In Chechen Areas Under Russian Army Control
By Maria Eismont, recently in Samashki, Chechnya (CRS No. 9, 3-Dec-99)

Russian Federal forces are converging on Chechen capital Grozny from all sides, pouring artillery and rocket fire on the city in advance of an expected assault on its streets in the coming days.

But the frontline forces know that the real targets will escape the worst of the fire. They are the well-prepared, battle-hardened Chechen guerillas themselves, waiting for their chance to avenge - on the ground - the brutality their people have endured from the air for days now.

These men sent the clearest possible message Friday to the Russian troops massing around the city, by killing 200 Federation soldiers in a battle near Urus-Marten and then systematically cutting the throats of around 50 who tried to surrender."

Like I said before, whose more credible. I think I'll believe an independent source and many others before a state run one (TASS), thank you. You might be wise to, too.

Argue if you must but it doesn't change the facts of the matter.]]> Second Chechen War bones https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9138 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9137 Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:11:00 +0000
First of all, every country in the world respects russian teritorial integrity as it is now, like it or not. I'm tired of saying that I personnaly not against Chechnia future independence, AS FAR AS, it's been done by means of democratic referendum with the inclusion of all people (including those who were evicted in 1991-1993) AND as far as Chechnia does not pose the threat to the rest of Russia, and that's what's current campain is all about.

I am also tired of mentionning that it was chechen invasion to russian territory of Dagestan that iniciated the conflict.

Lastly, let's put aside references to religion as this conflict has nothing to do with the clash of religions and, as in case with most of such conflicts, religious propagandas serve primarily as a means to attract fanatics (most of the rebels now are of non-chechen origin) to the conflict.

Fenriz]]> Second Chechen War fenriz_culto https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9137 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9136 Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:54:00 +0000
Ok Fenriz, Based on what you see and based on what you hear, and based on what you read every day, who do you think is the terrorist Russia or those people who defend their country against the invasion ?

My friend, truth must prevail, and I am sure sooner or later, you will see who will win this battle by Allah's leave.]]> Second Chechen War braveheart https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9136 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9135 Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:46:00 +0000 I can see the validity in your point relating to the conformity of the Islamic faith in countries dominated by the religion. You have formed a solid argument and I most concede. However, I must dispell one area of Ottoman history that is distorted by the Christian accounts of history. During Ottoman rule, the sultan imposed a greater tax on non-Muslim people. Although this seems ridiculous and unjust, it is more compassionate than conducting an inquisition. This was to be the standard practice within the empire. However, some sultans defied this and became religious zealots. For the most part, the Ottomans used this difference of religion to their advantage for the purpose of generating additional revenue. If you don't believe this, let's look at it in a more rational degree. At the time, the Ottomans conquered a large continguency of people who shared the Orthodox faith. These people included Greeks, Serbians, Bulgarians, Armenians, etc. Now if these people were treated so unfairly by the Muslims, wouldn't they become involved in continuous revolt. Can you imagine what this would do to the empire? This seems especially true if these people held their faith to the highest regard. Realistically, the only Muslims in Europe appear to be those in the Balkans. Why is this? Why aren't Greeks, Armenians, and all Serbians synonymous with Islam? The facts are indisputable.]]> Second Chechen War suleyman https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-12-1999/paged/3/#post-9135