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I am not sure that are you saing.
It is o.k. for someone from other country to come in to independent country and demand part of it be an independent?

Of cause, there would be some difficulty, but USSR did consisted of 15 republics, now it is 15 different countries.

If you are saying that people in majority are not ready for that, than may be some politician should not started it all.

Thanks]]> Second Chechen War drake https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11046 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11045 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:45:00 +0000 I tried in explore, but nothing happend. That is o.k. not sure if I want to spend time to figure this out.


saul:
after reading the article couple things pop up:
1. There is no prove of russian security services involvement. It is just a suggestion by chechen president.

2. this article clearly states that many military groups do not want to establish law and order therefore, it seems that unless they are also part of russian security services than they benefit out of this situation the most.

3. the article also indicates that there is no control or working goverment in this part of the russian federation, so any sort of political solution to the idependence is quite empty. There is no way for ordinary people there (chechen, russians, cossaks, dagestany and so forth) to make their desires known.

4. Also, all this independency movement makes me cautions because people who started it were very high in old communist regim.

thanks]]> Second Chechen War drake https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11045 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11044 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:42:00 +0000
With all due respect,
advising a referendum in a Russian republic is very close to an advise
to a death camp surviver 'why didn't you call your lawyer'.]]> Second Chechen War chf https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11044 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11043 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:32:00 +0000
Oil was important in 1998.

But in 1999 and in the forthcoming 2000 more relevant reasons are Russian elections, first to DUMB, oops, to DUMA, and then - presidential one next year.

You may remember that Russian previos war in Chechnya was also just before elections. Wars in Russia have become cyclical....]]> Second Chechen War balalaika https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/14/#post-11043 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11042 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:31:00 +0000 I agree on oil issue with you. Nevertheless, I think oil is important to both sides. I do not believe that Dudaev would want to declare independence (not referendum but he declared it himself) if there were no oil in that area. I think Dudaev wanted to have more oil to himself so he declared independece.

"Russian and chechen spokesmen pormised to ...." in this case, why did Basayev invaded into Dagestan and issued the statement declaring whole Caucaus region to be independent (again without referndum) Anyone would know that Russian federation would not let it happen without war. This would led to cancelation of whole deal. So this war is not in interest of Russian federation

what do you think
thanks]]> Second Chechen War drake https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11042 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11041 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:31:00 +0000
Was importance in 1998. But in 1999 and in the forthcoming 2000 more relevant reasons are Russian elections, first to DUMB, oops, to DUMA, and then - presidential one next year. You may remember that Russian previos war in Chechnya was also just before elections. Wars in Russia have become cyclical....]]> Second Chechen War balalaika https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11041 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11040 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:27:00 +0000
Somehow they are using CYRILIC( WINDOWs-1251) encoding instead of UNICODE.
You may go to VIEW - ENCODING to set it up in NETSCAPE browser.
By the way, most the time it is good only to refresh one's four letter words in Russian.
That's why I peek here from time to time.

I believe the board's IP is on the US soil, where any kind of physical thread by phone, e-mail etc is a federal offence (3 years and up in a slammer, no excuses or exceptions). "Urki" do not care.]]> Second Chechen War chf https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11040 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11039 Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:14:00 +0000
The source of this information is the BBC News:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_460000/460399.stm

But really, let us not get hung up on specific facts. The real underlying cause of the war is oil = money. Here is a quote from a 1998 article about the oil pipeline to be built through Chechnya:

Moscow's route (oil pipeline) goes directly through troubled Dagestan and Chechnya, the rebellious Caucasian republic that has defeated the Russian Army and descended into violent anarchy.
Russian and Chechen spokesmen promise that the oil will flow, whatever the state of their relations, because neither side can afford to spurn the lucrative transport fees. In late April, officials signed an agreement that would pay Chechnya $3.58 per ton (50 barrels) of oil crossing its territory through the present pipeline.


Oil is name of the game in the area, and Russia wants total control without having to split the profit with the Chechnens.]]> Second Chechen War saul https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11039 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11038 Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:54:00 +0000 What a level! The "Moskovsky Konsomoletz" (pardon), a pro-Moscow Mayor roll. Couldn't You find something more credible, than this leftover wrapping material and a waste of trees of a paper, known (and despised for it) for printing everything to please this hog (dreaming of grabbing Kremlin power) wanted to answer very uneasy questions before the Arizona court?]]> Second Chechen War kissie https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11038 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11037 Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:54:00 +0000
This was an article from Russian newspaper. The text is in Russian. On my Explorer 5.0 I use build-in Cyrillic (Windows) fonts.]]> Second Chechen War balalaika https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-december-29-1999/paged/13/#post-11037