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(@delenne)
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* I think Bagle's ...
LOL....
WHAT????????????????
SAY AGAIN???????????
IN ENGLISH????????????
THIS TIME?????????????
LOL.


   
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(@rookie)
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EZ BAGEL....

You Aushwitz playground generation have a really short fuse.

Just remember something... not everyone is a NAZI who threw ur parents into burning ovens OK.


   
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(@delenne)
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* You Aushwitz playground generation have a really short fuse.
Sorry, I am not a PLO.
* not everyone is a NAZI who threw ur parents into burning ovens OK.
Sometimes You don't know, what You type, but it is traditional with You.


   
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(@delenne)
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Yep, it was the biggest battle of the 5-month Infantifada for most of the day and night on Monday in the Khan Yunis of the Gaza Strip opposite Gush Katif. 100 Palestinian fighters and civilians wounded including 4 critically and 300 left homeless after dozens of houses were damaged. The battle was fought by hundreds of fighting men on both sides, with heavy weapons - tanks, an anti-tank missiles, mortars and heavy machine guns. No casualties on our side. It started Monday morning when 50 to 70 Palestinians set up positions and fired an anti-tank missile at the IDF unit, protecting Neve D'kalim. The missile didn't do any harm, but acted as a signal for the the Pal Arab attack. Doron Almog of Pikud Darom, who had been readying the forces for some weeks for the Palestinians to show their heavy weapons, decided on a tough response to cut the story short of escalation. Doron rolled out tanks and APCs. They were immediately sprayed with heavy machine-gun fire. When Pals shooting intensified, IDF set a smokescreen to cover the move. The Khan Unis "refugee" camp suffered a fire, gutting three houses. Tens of camp inmates inhaled the smoke and suffered breathing difficulties, starting a hysteria, that IDF was employing a new kind of poison gas. The exchange was static, but fierce, both sides moving around only inside their own terrain to improve firing positions, but refraining from advancing. The IDF considered taking Pals' positions, if need be to halt the shooting, judging from the sheer count of tanks and APCs pumped into the area.


   
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(@kimarx)
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Anyone who voted for Bush and co are either Fascist, braindead or delusional....
...But you may be right...he was appointed president by a majority of right wing judges wasn't he?

So what is the penalty for corruption in the U.A.E.and does that apply to "third world" customs officials?


   
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(@delenne)
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* Anyone who voted for Bush and co are either Fascist, braindead or delusional....
Kim:o),
at least, he represents the kind of realpolitik team, not the "human rights", "innocents civilians", "emotional trauma" et. buzzword BS blob of the clintonian era. (Open for discussion:o))
P.S. Send me Your e-mail, please, following the recent system crash ... this thing was not backed up - my fault, pardonnez.:o)
Woke up with the Air Force thundering and shattering the windows open - all are on full alert now with full loads, the desert shudders of low-altitude sonic booms, - stones on the ground just move ... . It's 17:47 now - they still prowl the skies ... .


   
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(@treslavance)
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OHAYA, KISAKO!
1107

watch your mail from moi, in the next day or so...

be safe.

{+1sk}


   
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(@kimarx)
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Hiya Delenne,
Hummm, what a choice, huh...

I think the other had more(!!! A!!!) brain, not a pre-requisite for a politician obviously, but somehow comforting...:0)

OK the Americans don't really have much idea what Socialism (left-wing in Europe) means and "liberal"(the US version of left-wing) is about as far left of centre as they can stomach , but the American right wing (all that religion, pomposity and spite) scares the shite outa this European "Liberal"(centre-right?)socialist. (ie,leftofUSliberalleftwingbutnotcommunistorrealexistierendesozialismusasinthewarsawpactkindasocialismifyouevenfuckingcarewhatlabelyouaresupposedtowearanywaythankyou!)

The last time, when Thatcher went skipping happily after Reagan, my home country was F@RKED up beyond recognition. I just hope New Labour for all their bullshit get elected again, cause the conservative alternative makes me feel dizzy! (Like when you stand at the edge of an Abyss , or something....)

Will mail you
Cheers
Kim


   
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(@rookie)
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LMAO....Bagel

Like i suspected...

u like living in a war zone!!! reminds u of a certain childhood memories.

isn;t the sweet.

LOL...


   
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(@delenne)
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* isn;t the sweet.
Well, if You are not tired of getting Your butts "allah-akbared", eh-h-h, sorry, kicked (the seventh time now, eh?) ... LOL.


   
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(@rookie)
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"allah-akbared", eh-h-h, sorry, kicked """

Bagel... what's going on? u alright?... or are the sounds of war too orgasmic for u to concentrate?

or it might be that Rabbi running around ur hairy As5 again?

LOl...

nothing liek the sounds of war to get a Jew all riled up and giddy! lol...


   
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(@treslavance)
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FAKE AMERICAN GROSS PIG BACK-TO-YOUR-SHED FARIS
HOMOUD:
=
"nothing liek...etc"

say what?

_liek_?

calm down, FAKE, you're spurting all over your
laptop. -_-


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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Suzanne Goldenberg in al-Khader, West Bank
Tuesday February 13, 2001
The Guardian

Israeli soldiers shot through the rear window of a Palestinian bus yesterday morning, killing a labourer in what appeared to be a random act of violence.

Ziad Abu Swayyeh, 20, was shot through the back when Israeli troops fired on the bus he was travelling in. They were apparently trying to avenge the killing of a Jewish settler by Palestinian snipers on the same road, barely 10 hours earlier.

The twin killings along Route 60, the road that cuts south from Jerusalem through the stony hills of the West Bank to the Jewish settlement blocks, looked certain to feed the renewed violence triggered by last week's election of the hardline Ariel Sharon as Israel's prime minister. With the toll in the four-month uprising approaching 400 dead, mainly Palestinians, both sides yesterday seemed determined to intensify the violence.

As night fell, Israeli troops fired tank shells and machine-guns at the Khan Yunis refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip. At least 30 people suffered bullet injuries, or were hit by shrapnel in a 90-minute firefight between Palestinian gunmen and troops guarding the Jewish settlement of Gush Katif, Palestinian human rights workers said.

The day of blood and retribution began at 6.30am when the driver of Abu Swayyeh's bus, Ahmed Zaoul, was easing off the paved road and around a huge mound of earth and concrete blocks piled up by Israeli army bulldozers at the entrance to Route 60 from al-Khader. He was turned back by Israeli soldiers.

As the bus, carrying 16 passengers, returned to al-Khader, shots shattered its rear window, killing Abu Swayyeh, who was standing beside the driver, and hitting another man in the head. "He rode my bus every day," Mr Zaoul said of the dead man. "This must have been a message from Sharon to the Palestinians. One Israeli was killed and so this morning they have taken their revenge."

A few hours later, a column of Palestinian women with groceries and small children tried to cross the barricade on foot, but scattered when a soldier pointed his gun at them.

Thousands of mourners followed Abu Swayyeh's body in a traditional martyr's burial yesterday. But he was a simple labourer, not a member of a Fatah militia, and so when his family returned to their village of Artas, they sat alone, waiting to receive condolences from the Palestinian Authority that never arrived.

At about the same time, and a few miles to the south, mourners were gathering at Rosh Tsurim, part of the large Gush Etzion settlement, for the funeral for Tsahi Sasson.

An electrical engineer, 35, Sasson was shot dead as he passed the Jewish settlement of Gilo on his way home from his job in Jerusalem on Sunday night.

He was a relative newcomer to the settlement, renting a home with his wife and two sons two years ago. "He was looking for a place that would be good for the children, where they could feel more free," said Sharon Green, the settlement secretary.

She looked down in the valley to the Jewish settlement of Beitar, Abu Swayyeh's destination yesterday. He had been working there for six months as a builder, earning 100 shekels a day (about £16.50).

There will be more acts of retribution, with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement yesterday claiming Sasson's killing and renewing threats to step up attacks on Jewish settlements.

"The Sharon era will not be as stable and secure as the criminal promised," a Fatah leaflet said. "Our goal is to bring down Sharon and all his settlements."

In the gunfights that raged overnight across the West Bank, Palestinian snipers fired on Gilo, south of Jerusalem, for the first time since December 6, when church leaders and Mr Arafat got them to stop.

Officially, there have been no orders to resume hostilities against Gilo, said Kamal Hmeid, Fatah commander of the Bethlehem district who helped to broker the ceasefire. "It is still forbidden, but after Sharon's election there is reaction from people and we cannot stop them," he said.

Israel was also in no mood to back down yesterday. The outgoing prime minister, Ehud Barak, told army commanders to "do what needs to be done" to protect Jewish civilians. Though Mr Sharon has yet to take charge, a senior member of his Likud party said the new government would use even greater force against Arab gunmen. "They should know that we have means that we still have not used," Moshe Arens told Israel radio.

Last night Israelis and Palestinians were bracing for more bloodshed along Route 60. An Israeli armoured personnel carrier trained its machine-gun on al-Khader, and troops fanned along the electrified gates of Jewish settlements.

Across the fields and barren vinyards, Palestinians filed home from work - on foot as the Israeli army bans their travel by private cars. Jewish settlers lined up outside their enclaves to stone passing Palestinian taxis and buses.

• Israel's attorney general has asked the supreme court to reject outright a petition that is seeking a ban on state-sanctioned assassinations of Palestinian leaders.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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WHITE flags of surrender flew over the Palestinian village of Mawasi yesterday in a desperate attempt to ward off the threat of Israeli army bulldozers flattening its 23 houses.

Rahmana Juraniyeh, a mother of six, said: "It's a sign of peace. We put up the flags to protect our homes. We only want to live in peace with the Israelis." Army bulldozers have been moving ever closer to the houses and fruit orchards in the village on the Gaza Strip coastline over the past few days.

Date palms have been dug up within 200 yards of the road. Fields of peas, peppers and aubergines, and their irrigation pipes, have been trampled flat. Villagers say the army arrived last week and on two occasions during the weekend told them to evacuate "for security reasons".

The Israeli civil administration for the occupied territories denies that it had plans to destroy the houses, dismissing the villagers' fears as merely "rumour". After American and British diplomats voiced their concerns, the army withdrew the bulldozers.

Houses are bulldozed almost every day in the Gaza Strip to ensure the security of the 5,000 Jewish settlers who live among the one million Palestinians in the area. The few roads that settlers use to pass through Palestinian areas are surrounded by a wasteland of flattened earth and broken concrete.

Acres of orchards have been destroyed. But the destruction of 23 houses in one operation would have been too much for the rest of the world to swallow. Many countries would have seen it as a sign that the army had been unshackled by the election of the Right-wing leader Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister.

Ibrahim el-Jaabari, headman of the settlement, said: "The soldiers have become stronger and more arrogant since Sharon was elected. We have lived peacefully with the Israelis for 50 years. They have nothing against us.

"If any boy so much as throws a stone at an Israeli car I will break his arm. They are using the conflict as a pretext to get rid of us." Though the villagers have had a reprieve, they feel it is only a matter of time - or the death of another settler - before the bulldozers return.

Mr el-Jaabari said: "We are expecting them at any hour. But we will die in our houses rather than give up our land." While their houses remain standing, the noose of an Israeli blockade is still tightening. The villagers are not allowed to take food to their homes except for what the women can carry on their heads.

Two donkey carts set off from the Palestinian-run town of Khan Younis yesterday with sacks of flour, bottles of cooking gas and flagons of cooking oil. They were turned back by Israeli soldiers at gunpoint, with threats to open fire.

The flour and gas bottles did not make it through the checkpoint, but women took the cooking oil off the carts and hoisted it on to their heads for the rest of the journey. The farmers are desperate. Israel has closed off all export routes from Gaza, so the area is awash with unsold tomatoes and strawberries.

With tomatoes selling on the street for 2p a pound, the growers are letting them rot on the vine in their hothouses. The new administration in Washington, in a rare criticism of Israel, has called on the government to ease the blockade on the grounds that poverty and a state of siege will only drive the Palestinians further into the arms of the gunmen carrying out the attacks on the settlers.

Every day since Mr Sharon's election the clashes have got worse and the conflict more bitter. The armed Palestinians are determined to bring Mr Sharon down, even though he has not taken office yet.

Mr Sharon's advisers have given warning that once he is in power, Israel will retaliate more harshly than under his predecessor, Ehud Barak.

Negotiations resumed between Mr Sharon's Likud faction and Mr Barak's Labour Party. Both sides agreed that a joint government would only seek an interim accord with the Palestinians, but they are at odds over how specific any coalition agreement should be.

Labour wants a detailed list of political goals. Likud wants to make do with a general outline.

About 50 Palestinians were injured yesterday when the Israeli army used heavy weapons against the Khan Younis refugee camp. Officials at the camp's Nasr hospital said 38 people, many of them women and children, were injured. Twelve other Palestinians were treated for wounds at Amel hospital.

Witnesses said the army had responded with artillery and machineguns after Palestinian gunfire was aimed at the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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JERUSALEM (CNN) -- A top Israeli official defended a deadly helicopter mission inside Gaza on Tuesday as a defensive act and a blow against terrorism, but a Palestinian official countered that the attack was unnecessary and evidence of Israel's heavy-handed dealings with them.

Palestinian police said that Massoud Ayyad, 60, died earlier Tuesday when Israeli helicopter gunships fired four missiles into his car as he drove on the outskirts of the Jabaliya refugee camp.


Ayyad, a lieutenant colonel in Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat's bodyguard unit, Force 17, was the sole occupant of that car, but four men in a car behind him were slightly injured in the attack.

"This man, Massoud Ayyad, was in charge of terrorist operations and planned more terrorist operations, including kidnapping, including shelling of Israeli villages," Israeli Deputy Defense Secretary Ephraim Sneh told CNN. "Since we could not arrest him ... in this case we had no option but to hit him in the way we did."

Sneh said such attacks -- Israel has killed about 20 Palestinian activists in the West Bank and Gaza since the start of the latest Palestinians uprising five months ago -- would end if Palestinian officials "arrested those people who mastermind and organize the terrorist operations."

"As long as the Palestinian Authority doesn't fulfill its duty to contain terrorism, there is no alternative left for us but to act," Sneh said. "As long as there is a war, we are in war."


Palestinian life turned to 'hell'
But Palestinian Cabinet Minister Ziad Abu Zayyad called the attack an assassination and denied that Ayyad was a member of Hezbollah -- a pro-Iranian organization -- or had any contacts with the group.

Zayyad told CNN that such claims of terrorism and assassination were not the real problem, however.

"Even if we assume that (Massoud Ayyad) was active and he was shooting, why was he active and why he was shooting?" Zayyad said. "It is the situation. It is the occupation. It is the resistance against occupation, and saying this doesn't mean that they agree with the Israeli allegations against this man."

"No one now speaks about how the Palestinians are living, what are the conditions inside the Palestinian territories," he said. "Palestinians are not able to move from one village to another, from one city to the other. They can't go to their schools, they don't go to universities, they don't go to their work, and Israel is demolishing houses, uprooting trees, turning their life to hell."

Zayyad acknowledged that the Israelis were duty-bound to protect their citizens, but noted that "as long as Israel is trying to oppress our people, unfortunately this uprising will continue and there will victims on both sides."

Palestinians: Ambulance under fire
The Palestinian Red Crescent Society has told CNN that two of its paramedics were injured when their ambulance came under fire from Israeli soldiers on Tuesday while evacuating injured from the scene of clashes in the Gaza town of Khan Younis.

They continued to drive and tend to the wounded, despite their injuries, until they arrived at a hospital emergency room, the PRCS said.

The Israeli Army said that there was continuous shooting during the incident and they did not know of any injured ambulance workers.

The army said that they did not intentionally shoot at ambulance workers, but they could have been caught in the cross fire.

The PRCS said that a third medic was hit by bullet fragments at the scene and a fourth by rocket fragments, though they did not say who fired on those workers.

According to figures supplied by the PRCS today's casualties brought to 73 the number of its medics injured during recent violence. One was killed

Barak, Sharon near agreement?
Tuesday's dramatic events threatened to overshadow Israeli Prime Minister-elect Ariel Sharon's negotiations to form a coalition government with the Labor Party of defeated rival Ehud Barak.

Officials said the two men have agreed on most elements of a joint platform, but the fresh violence -- including a 14-year-old Palestinian shot and killed in Gaza and an Israeli soldier wounded in separate incidents -- were an ominous reminder of the challenges ahead.

Sharon has said he will not negotiate while the violence, which has claimed more than 400 lives -- most of them Palestinian -- continues.

But an agreement between Sharon's hawkish Likud party and the center-left Labor Party could pave the way for a resumption of peace talks.

Coalition talks were due to start Tuesday to discuss, among other issues, which Cabinet posts the Labor Party would receive under Sharon.

Sharon has offered the defense ministry to Barak despite Barak's promise to resign from public life after his defeat in last week's election. Nobel laureate Shimon Peres is thought to be a front-runner for foreign minister in Sharon's cabinet.

Sharon to pursue interim agreements
But Labor parliamentarian Dalia Itzik said a coalition deal was not yet decided, despite an apparent breakthrough in negotiations.

"I can't say an agreement was reached, but certainly a lot of progress has been made," Itzik told Israel Radio. She said Barak and Sharon would speak early Tuesday to discuss other issues that were too sensitive to be written in the coalition deal.

These issues would probably be the government's position on a future Palestinian state, dismantling Jewish settlements and the fate of Jerusalem -- items that Israel Radio reported did not appear in the draft agreement drawn up late Monday.

Labor officials were said to have dropped demands that Sharon go after a comprehensive peace agreement, as Barak had unsuccessfully attempted to do, and instead would agree to Sharon's plan to pursue interim agreements with the Palestinians where possible.

The Palestinians, however, have rejected the idea of seeking interim solutions to the 52-year-old conflict.

"They want to bring back the conflict to the beginning," Zayyad said. "They are talking about interim arrangements," he said, even though the parties had moved "a long way ahead towards a solution."


   
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