"While the Pentagon officially estimated that 516 Panamanians were killed in the invasion, 314 soldiers and 202 civilians (UPI, September 18, 1990), a 60 Minutes report suggested that the number of dead may have approached 4000, and cited a US Army document dated nine days after the invasion began that estimated the number of civilian dead at 1000. The Army document stated that:
* Some were killed in the Torrijo section of Panama [site of the Noriega headquarters], where about 10 blocks of high-density housing or slums were destroyed as a result of our ops.(60 Minutes, September 30, 1990)
"A Security Council Resolution which "strongly deplore[d] the intervention in Panama by the armed forces of the United States of America." was vetoed by the United States, Britain and France, though a majority of the council's 15 members voted in favor. (New York Times, December 24, 1989)
When Cuba pressed the General Assembly to pass a resolution condemning the US invasion, a senior State Department official said that such a resolution would be:
* another example of hypocrisy ... visible to the rest of the world even if it isn't to the members of the United Nations. (New York Times, December 27, 1989) [LOL]

From mail:
"A moral question:
The situation. You are in the ME, and there is a huge flood. Homes have been lost, water supplies compromised and infrastructures destroyed. You are taking photographs for a news service, travelling alone, looking for particularly poignant scenes.
You come across Yasser Arafat who has been swept away by the flood waters. He is hanging on to the branch of a tree and is about to go under. You can either put down your camera and save him, or take a Pulitzer prize-winning photograph of him as he loses his grip.
So here's the question, and think carefully before you answer it:
What lens would you use?"

konbanwa, Kisako!
2042

all well said/put together by you
which is not to say that
ALL OF IT
wont go sailing over the FAKE'S HEAD
leading him to make some assh*le comments
because, well, see...

...it's all he's ever been capable of.

don't worry Lmx, didn't bother reading that gibberish or hebrew... what ever u wanna call it.

It's more garbage spewed by a fanatical zionist who is trying to justify the murder of an 11 year old child. Not interested - and i doubt anybody else is - except you 45 yrd old drummer boy.

But i am still interested in deciphering this Bagel statement;

"""On a sniper's position. If snipers feel free to frame of their own, you get what you get. """

I think she;s still foaming at the mouth...

lmx would u take a stab at this?

Exposing the highly acclaimed "Israeli Economic Miracle"!

"Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The
interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937
billion, thus making the total amount of aid
given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion."

[Note: Above figure till the end of 1996]
(For full text & web link see below)

This money could solve the problem of
ca. 35-40 million US citizens who can't
afford a "Medical Insurance Cover"!!

By comparison...
Total money disbursed by the US under
"The Marshall Plan" to rebuild Western Europe after World War II
US$ 40 Billion Only!


U.S. Aid to Israel: What U.S. Taxpayer Should Know
by Tom Malthaner, October 7 1997


This morning as I was walking down Shuhada Street in Hebron, I saw
graffiti marking the newly painted storefronts and awnings. Although three
months past schedule and 100 percent over budget, the renovation of Shuhada
Street was finally completed this week. The project manager said the reason
for the delay and cost overruns was the sabotage of the project by the
Israeli settlers of the Beit Hadassah settlement complex in Hebron. They
broke the street lights, stoned project workers, shot out the windows of
bulldozers and other heavy equipment with pellet guns, broke paving stones
before they were laid and now have defaced again the homes and shops of
Palestinians with graffiti. The settlers did not want Shuhada St. opened to
Palestinian traffic as was agreed to under Oslo 2. This renovation project
is paid for by USAID funds and it makes me angry that my tax dollars have
paid for improvements that have been destroyed by the settlers.

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our
government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30,
1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under
Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as
the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon.
The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual
compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed
to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax
exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli
charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions
annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390
million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together
for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship
with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The
interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937
billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949
$133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal
aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the
average American citizen.

I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy
improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me
that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more
prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of
its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the
Palestinian people.

October 7, 1997. CPT Hebron has maintained a violence reduction
presence in Hebron since June of 1995 at the invitation of the Hebron
Municipality. The figures given in this piece come from Richard Curtiss'
"U.S. Aid to Israel: The Subject No One Mentions," The Link, Sept-Oct, 1997.

* But i am still interested in deciphering this Bagel statement;
Try Arabic.
* Not interested - and i doubt anybody else is
Why do You react, then?

I'M REACHING FOR THE TYLENOL, WHAT A HEADACHE I JUST DEVELOPED. 2 TABLETS AND A LETTER DRAWN UP AND SENT TO MY SENATOR AND CONGRESSMAN MIGHT NOT RESOLVE ANYTHING, BUT AT LEAST I'LL FEEL BETTER DOING SO. OH, I'LL ALSO SUGGEST NO MORE SPARE CHANGE FOR RUSSIA.

ps: Would love to see Bush take America into a semi-state of isolation for a year or so. This would serve multiple purposes: 1) will help America to focus on domestic problems. 2) let the world, especially Israel know that they can no longer rely on the good ol days of Clinton handouts. 3) bring the U.S. military back up to snuff after years of neglect by Clinton administration. 4) re-evaluate and re-structure America's foreign policies. Frankly, Israel and Russia are 2 key countries that cannot and should not be trusted by the Bush administration, both are too unstable and both lie through their proverbial teeth. America now has a team in place that will bring America back to a position of prominence on the world's stage and who will see through those decietful lies for what they are. THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN AND HE'S TOUGH, WISE, FRUGIL AND WILL NOT ALLOW AMERICA TO BE EXPLOITED OR HELD HOSTAGE. Countries that have made it a habit of taking from America with one hand and condeming it with the other are finally in for a good dose of reality. Can just hear them crying out, "WHERE'S OUR HANDOUTS?" Tylenol anybody? Seems my headache has suddenly subsided.

I'm was responding to SATSO CAPRIATTI's posting on America's runaway foreign aid train.

Two cousins, Etgar Zeituni 34 and Motti Dayan, 28, decided to ignore the prohibition on Israeli entry to Palestinian Authority areas and go shopping for cheap clay pots for their cafe, "Yuppies", Sheinkin Street, Tel Aviv. With them was an Israeli Arab neighbor, Fouad Abu Hassan. While eating a meal at the Abu Nidal restaurant in the heart of the Palestinian West Bank town of Tulkarm, they were confronted by masked gunmen, who dragged them out, took them to a nearby field and shot them dead. Their Arab friend was set free. An anonymous caller claimed that the two Israelis were "executed by Azzam al-Kassem Brigades" (military arm of the militant Islamic Hamas) and the executions were videotaped. Another Palestinian source said the executions were carried out by the "Tabeth Tabeth Brigades", named for a Fatah activist killed by Israeli Army raiders.  Both made it clear that the two cousins were coldly put to death as Jews, while a third Israeli, an Arab, was spared. By this violent act, the Palestinians demonstrated once again that in their eyes any Jews are fair game and that for them the conflict between the two peoples is an overridingly religious one. For this reason, Arafat will never agree to any settlement that does not grant Palestinians full sovereignty over Jerusalem's shrines – from the Church of the Sepulcher, to Temple Mount and Mount Zion.
The connection between Palestinian violence and their bargaining stance at the conference table is somehow missed by the Barak government's senior negotiators, although by no one else. At the intensive negotiations broken off at Taba Tuesday Jan 23, after the Tulkarm murders, three ministers, Amnon Shahak, Shlomo Ben Ami and Yossi Bailin, offered the Palestinians joint administration of Jerusalem's shrines including the Western Wall of Temple Mount. Barak explained: "Israeli sovereignty will stay, but we have to consider the sensitivities of the three important religious and accept joint administration of the holy places." In other words, the Barak government not only gives up Temple Mount but is willing to share jurisdiction over the Wailing Wall; it accepts the Moslem Waqf's (religious council) full control of Temple Mount and its restriction of the Jewish right of "access" to the 48 meters of the Wailing Wall.
Yet even this was turned down by the Palestinian side at Taba.
Every step that Barak's peace negotiators make towards meeting Palestinian demands is another nail in his coffin at the Feb. 6 ballot; the connection between the murder of Israelis and what is seen as shameful capitulation to the murderers' terms, is a constant affront for the average voter. As one interviewee put it: "We give them Temple Mount and they give us bodies", and another: "We'll go on giving up to the last Israeli."

informer,

Im afraid that our taxes have been going to those thieving nations long before Clinton came to office. but u are right, he was a weak president with a soft heart, I expect much more from Bush and his team.

Although i don't expect cutting back on aid to those nations would decrease the crimes they commit. the other day, a security man in Hebron, stomped and pistol wipped an 11 year old to death. So this is a problem which goes beyond aid and weapons.... maybe a Psychiatrist would do them more good.

Bagel can keep trying to justify murders with long and frankly boring garabage.

but the facts are:

370 + Palestinians have been killed and only 16 jews since the latest uprising.

Numbers don't lie Bagel Girl.... It's clear to everyone just who is doing the killing.

Can someone help me decipher this Bagel msg.

"""On a sniper's position. If snipers feel free to frame of their own, you get what you get. """

LOL....

She thinks she can spew inane comments like a rabid Dog and get away with it.

* Would love to see Bush take America into a semi-state of isolation for a year or so.
An excellent idea. The rest, and most sure, - Russia and China - would genuinely say "Thank you".

* 1) will help America to focus on domestic problems.
Very sane to wipe the Clinton legacy out and start collecting stabbed afro-americans from the clinic porches for treatment.

* 3) bring the U.S. military back up to snuff after years of neglect by Clinton administration.
Not quite correct, but every president needs toys to play with, what the hell, but ... take America into a semi-state of isolation for a year or so. LOL

* 4) re-evaluate and re-structure America's foreign policies.
We here see it already and say "so far - so go-o-od". The US ME Envoy position, seems to get axed soon. And, surprise-surprise, - around weekend USACO airlifted armor and marines from Germay and Italy to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, three Patriot batteries with crews for SA and two for K. A-a-and - an airlift of the US Patriot batteries and crews to Israel. Great job, Mr. Bush!

* THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN AND HE'S TOUGH, WISE, FRUGIL(?. Maybe - frugal?) AND WILL NOT ALLOW AMERICA TO BE EXPLOITED OR HELD HOSTAGE.
Excellent! No more to an assortment of XL, XXL, "XXXL" "oil barons".

* Countries that have made it a habit of taking from America with one hand and condeming it with the other are finally in for a good dose of reality.
Excellent! This US Flag-burning Embassy-blowing ME terrorist brat should learn its place. No more free-bee arms supplies to Egypt, no more frolicking with Syria.

* Can just hear them crying out, "WHERE'S OUR HANDOUTS?"
Right on the money! It's about time for Arafat to shut his greedy mouth up!

* Seems my headache has suddenly subsided.
Keep on shouting, it seems of help to You.
P.S. An A+ post.

OH, I'm a just happy Hebrew from Hebron out for a stroll in the countryside with a few of my homo buddies. What's that we see, well, well it's a couple of Arab youngsters. Any news photographers around? Don't see any. Come on gays, mean guys, lets go smash and break their arms with boulders like we did before and if we're caught we'll scream self defense. Not a court in Israel will find us guilty

F*CK YOU!
FAKE AMERICAN GROSS PIG FARIS HOMOUD!

i see you're ripping off BACON now, a statement on
your lack of imagination.
==
what kisako said about snipers was correct. that
is what snipers do. they scope their best shot,
then take it. "they get what they get". snipers
cant be choosers...same as the palestinian
snipers.
==
the informer post of 10:04 is inciteful bullshite
and nothing else. ah, but i guess the FAKE will be
your real good pal,now.
where you headed w/this, cap?
==
IGOR:
very disappointed by recent posts of yours,
especially one on USC today.
so you hate the jews and you look forward to the
destruction of america....at that rate i'll run
out of things i can say to you.
heh...not that you care.
but being 'safe' in canada, you dont _have_ to
care.
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