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By Leo Tolstoy on Thursday, November 4, 1999 - 07:00 pm:

I like to answer here on few questions and comments.
First I will tell about myself. I am Caucasian -Dagestani, native of
Dagestan, ethnic Dargin, not Chechen. I live out of former USSR since
1987,
was back in Dagestan visiting last year, in 1998.
Now about so called invasion of Dagestan by Chechens in last August.
There
is different side of the story. In Dagestan there is conflict between
local
government and local communities. Dagestani government is 100% criminal
and
corrupted. And this government is supported by Kremlin, because they
are
loyal to Moscow. It does not mean that Dagestan is loyal to Moscow.
That is why in Dagestan Islam is getting stronger, as a refuge from
mafia.
During first Chechen war Dagestani government sided with Kremlin, and
at the
same time many Dagestanis fought on Chechen side against Russian army.
Last August conflict in Dagestan was not started by Chechens, but it
started
when local villagers in Tsumadinsky district of Dagestan, ethnic avars,

declared independent Islamic state and declared Dagestan to be
independent.
Local pro-Moscow Government sent there police force which was beaten.
The
leaders of this uprising were: Adallo Aliev, ethnic avar - Dagestani
poet,
Bagautdin Magomedov - islamic theologist and ethnic dargin, and Nadir
Khachilaev , ethnic lak , who previously in May 1998 took government
building in Dagestan's capital - Makhachkala. Those people formed core
of
uprising against present government of Dagestan, which still consists
from
former communist nomenclatura. At this stage there was no Chechen
involvement in this conflict. Dagestani government asked for help
Moscow who
despatched there armed forces. Also local pro-Moscow mafiosos started
forming there own forces, which they presented as a Dagestani
volunteers.
Now, - on the Chechen side of border there are some mountain villagers
where
live ethnic avars, not ethnic chechens. Theoretically , they live in
Chechnya but they are of Dagestani origin - ethnic avars. When they saw

police moving against civilians in avar area in Dagestan, those avars
from
Chechen side came to help their kin on Dagestani side. Then russian
army was
moved against what they called islamists. Then by independence leaders-

Adallo Aliev (avar) and Bagautdin Magomedov (dargin) was formed Shura
(Counsel) of Independent State of Dagestan. And they invited Shamil
Basaev
to be as a military leader, to make Moscow scared. And this is how
Chechens
got involved in Dagestan. So, I as Dagestani like to say here, that
there
was no invasion of Chechens into Dagestan. Basaev was invited by Shura
to
fight against army. What people say now in Dagestan (I am staying in
touch
all the time) that - there was manipulation by federal government to
start
all this conflict. In June - July local comminities in Dagestan were
increasingly harrased by police as to provoke them.
When you are saying that Chechens invaded Dagestan, then you are just
repeating russian media, the official russian version.
Now, I like to say here something more. After those avar villagers, who

declared independence in Western Dagestan were exterminated, - the
Dagestani
government used russian army to exterminate dargin villagers in
Karamakhi
and Chabanmakhi. This is ethnic dargin area, where my people live, it
is in
central Dagestan, far away from Chechnya. They declared two years ago
that
they do not live under local government rule and expelled police from
their
settlements two years ago. The basis of conflict here was that this
people
came into direct conflict with Head of Dagestan's government
Magomed-Ali
Magomedov. This man is the biggest narco-boss in Dagestan, 70% of drugs

produced in Dagestan are under his control. Two years ago villagers in
Karamakhi (who are ethnic dagrins) cut his puppy fields. And the joke
is
that Magomed-Ali Magomedov is himself ethnic dargin, and he promised
two
years ago to finish those his dargin co-ethnics who against him. And he
used
Russian army to erase from earth's face those two dargin villagers last

september. Do you know that they collected about 400 bodies of children
and
women from those villages and droped them into the Caspian sea on the
border
with Azerbaijan, to hide any evidence? That is what my relatives tell
me
from Dagestan.
Now about Chechens helping Nazi during WWII.
Do you know that in the famous Brest, where soldiers fought against
invading
German army long after fashists pushed far into USSR in 1941, absolute
majority of those soldiers were Chechens, Ingushs and Dagestanis. My
own
relative was there, there were very few ethnic russians. Majority of
those
who fought to death there - were Caucasians, that is why they did not
capitulate.
You are perverting facts.
PS- I use name of Leo Tolstoy, because I really love this russian
writer. If
there were more russians like him, then russian nation will have chance
to
build democracy.


Chechens, Dagestanis and Ingushs served in the Soviet Army which was
stationed in Brest after USSR annexed that part in 1940. Absolute
majority
of the soldier's garrison in Brest consisted from Caucasians. This is
historical fact. Why it never was published during Soviet time. Well,
there
were many facts which were never published under comminists.

If you served in the former Soviet Army then you should know that is
the
policy to sent conscripts to serve away from their home area. For
example
Dagestanis does not serve in Dagestan, all local garrisons consist from

ethnic russians from as far as Far East.

Now about Nazi sympatizers between Chechens.
You forgot that there were Nazi sympatizers between all nations in the
former USSR, not only Ukrainians or Chechens, but also Russians and
others.
And the reason was Stalin's oppresion.

You also forgot that there were recently threats against Jewish
Sinagogas in
Moscow from russian extremists.

There are criminals in every nation, including Russian, Chechen, Jewish
or
Dagestani. But it does not make those nations criminal.

If you ever being to Caucasus and lived there for a while, then you
will
notice that people of Caucasus do not hate Russians or Jews, which I
can not
say about Russia itself. It is because we have dignity. And we know
what
means words "honour" and "self-respect"

The rise of crime is not characteristic to Chechnya or Caucasus alone.
You
forgot about contract murders in Moscow and other parts of Russia.
Somehow
you are using facts out of their context only to present the point of
view
which suits you. Then I have to conclude that you hate Caucasians for
some
only to you known reason and are using this web site not for
constructive
dialogue, but to spread your hate.

I do not want to insult you over the web because I respect myself.

Present escalations of conflict in Caucasus are symptoms of
de-colonization
of Russian state.

Some time in the future, after this and may be more bloody wars,
Chechnya,
Dagestan and Nothern Caucasus will be Independent State.

World will applaud to Chechnya and to Caucasus.]]> Second Chechen War proc https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16356 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16355 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:33:00 +0000
The offensive clearly is wearing on Russian forces and  stretching their resources. A Russian officer told The Associated  Press on Monday that troops have begun blowing up roads in Chechnya  because there aren't enough soldiers to man sufficient checkpoints  to control rebel movements.  ]]> Second Chechen War proc https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16355 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16354 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:29:00 +0000
After that they behead him and made him like dead rotten chicken. Now pigs are fighting each other to eate his chicken body.]]> Second Chechen War prochechnian https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16354 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16353 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:23:00 +0000
"being a jew is very hard", you say.
with folks like =you= out there, do ya blame 'em?

so that one, almost surrealistic anecdote of yours
is your foundation for your all-encompassing
generalization? if your pals were boot-boys to
whom you claimed to be jewish, then which %$%$%
part is the surprise of THAT?

it's all just stuff you've all been told. ancient
poison. but you axually seem like you could be
smart enough to know better.
pity.]]> Second Chechen War L'menexe https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16353 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16352 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:13:00 +0000


Taliban Urges Help for Chechens

By Kathy Gannon
Associated Press Writer
Monday, Jan. 31, 2000; 2:58 p.m. EST

KABUL, Afghanistan –– Muslim nations should be ashamed for not helping Chechen militants in their fight against Russia, the Taliban's foreign minister said Monday, but refused to confirm reports that Afghan troops are fighting in Chechnya.

"They are my brothers. They are Muslims," Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil said in an interview with The Associated Press. "They are not terrorists they are fighting for their freedom, for their independence against Russia."

Muttawakil, however, declined to say what help his government has offered the Chechens.

But a senior Taliban commander said Taliban troops have gone to Chechnya and are led by one of the Taliban's best-known commanders, Maulana Dadallah. The troops left Afghanistan for Chechnya 20 days ago, said the commander, who spoke on condition of anonymity.]]> Second Chechen War abd https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/9/#post-16352 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16351 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:02:00 +0000 The Chechen side estimates the activities of the Russian orthodox church and the outspokenly fascist declarations of its leadership as clear sign that the war in Chechnya bears the character of a crusade against a Muslim people.


The Chechen deputy prime-minister Akhmed Zakayev pointed out that in the former USSR it is widely known that Aleksiy is a KGB-FSB cadre member. He is said to have been involved into the murder of various critical clerics of the Russian orthodox church.]]> Second Chechen War abd https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16351 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16350 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:53:00 +0000
You are so funny, like my dog lalu.
If you go to saudi, they will behade you because you cary dry shitt in your ass.]]> Second Chechen War abd https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16350 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16349 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:51:00 +0000
being jew is very hard.....]]> Second Chechen War slovak88 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16349 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16348 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:50:00 +0000
In Argun Valley the Russians tried to charge the Chechen defence positions near the old path to Surat. So-called paratroopers tried to move from Alkhazurov into this direction. The Chechens allured the enemy into the depth of their positions, encircled them, attacked, and wiped out the Russian unit. A great amount of equipment has been captured. Among it was a special gun of which the Chechens instantly made use: they shot down a Russian helicopters using a special 12,7-mm gun. One Russian airplane was damaged and was forced to an emergency landing near the Chechen positions. The crew was shot on the spot, the plane was blasted. The Chechens lost two mujahideen, the Russians 60 men in the operations in Argun Valley.]]> Second Chechen War abd https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16348 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16347 Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:47:00 +0000 maybe he was crazy or not, all of the rulers were crazy or different from everybody else. that's a good question: what would he do with all that.
i belive that germany, even if it would conquer russia, europe, england and africa. it would not be able to hold it together. there was just no way to control such a big land masses with only few millions. and don't worry: he would be either shot by some other nazi who would want to get to power. just as stalin was poisoned.
and about jews: i don't want to go into that too much, because i don't know too much about that.

as for russian-chechen conflict: it's slowly ending, rebels will not hold forever. few weeks, and then they will run and hide into some other countrie, regroup. it will get quiet, and then after few years, there will be another war maybe, and again many russians will die for nothing. because these rebels will be coming and coming. and it's always harder to fight against fanatics, who fight and are not afraid to die, than to fight regular army.
that's what i think.]]> Second Chechen War slovak88 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-january-31-2000/paged/8/#post-16347