Igor,
I see your point.
Yes there is a lot of pointless baiting. Goes with the territory, doesn't it? I'm trying to work out what Marie stands for exactly and what her problem is with the other Kim. They are both pro-serb??? aren't they? They both keep repeating what the other has posted, it gets confusing.

TO OUR READERS:

As you know, this publication has taken the summer off. However, we would like to share with you the following which was sent to our editorial staff with a cover letter requesting that we print it.

CAMEL NUTS GAZZETTE
Letters to the Editor

Dedicated to my darling Bacon, I compare thee to a 6'2" pile of fecal matter:

My love for thee is like a steaming turd
Or as a pile of fresh and fragrant dung
(But soft! My love's as true as every word,
That's uttered from my pure and honest tongue)
And I could say my love is lush and green,
Just like a ball of warm and slimy snot
And dare I say 'tis even more obscene
Than muddy naked corpes left to rot?
"Tis too immense, my tongue is tied, O Spite!
And so I must express my love in art
By vomiting on a canvas every night
I love you like the nostrils love a fart
You grow on me like one big puss-filled zit
Yes, I love you like I love a pile of sh!t.

Your Darling Pee Wee

Hi Mary yes Barnswein has set the record and I have booked him on Springer.I always had faith in him.By the way can you give me a loan Faulkner you GOOF?Kim I have not read much of the other Kim'S posts(To tell you the truth I am trying to figure out which one of you is which).Your right about the confusion though too much spam.

I am going to nominate Barnswein for the ROCK HUDSON MEMORIAL TROPHY

igor:

made a post at the cafe as L'menexe just now.
nothing for me to say there
nothing for me to add there

nothing to do but
DUCK AND COVER -_-

and the worms
those [expletive] WORMS
eat very well there.....

This is a very stong assertion, from what started out as an interesting article, then descends into a strange history lessson. I read it all hoping the author would expand on this statement.
http://www.aim.ac.yu/
What he has based this statement on, I don't know, but I would be interested to know more specific details. Can any of you help me with this.
Cheers
Jo


The main problem in Yugoslavia, from the first, was foreign intervention in the country's internal affairs. Two
Western powers, the United States and Germany, deliberately contrived to destabilize and then dismantle the
country. The process was in full swing in the 1980s and accelerated as the present decade began. These powers
carefully planned, prepared and assisted the secessions which broke Yugoslavia apart. And they did almost
everything in their power to expand and prolong the civil wars which began in Croatia and then continued in
Bosnia-Herzegovina. They were involved behind the scenes at every stage of the crisis.

Foreign intervention was designed to create precisely the conflicts which the Western powers decried. For they
also conveniently served as an excuse for overt intervention once civil wars were under way.

Igor,(or do you prefer Chorny?- What does Chorny volk mean BTW?)

The Kim thing is easy, she posts as Kim, I post as Jo McKenzie. She is probably much closer to you as her opinions go. Marie however has already managed to lump us together in that strange mind of hers.
Hence the KIMBOMCKENZIEBONEHEAD- stuff. What a wonderful young lady she is.

I was amused when you posted the "emperors clothes" article and the other Kim jumped in to say what a wonderful article it was, couldn't help myself:0))))))))))))))))))))))))))!!!!

Jo

Kim Arx RIP

Kim Chornyvolk is blackwolf.I used it because my German Shepard 150lbs shorthair looks like a wolf and acts like one.By the way I call him Fritz.Kim I did not find the article but I found this one on that site

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Tom Walker and Aidan Laverty
Central Intelligence Agency officers were ceasefire monitors in Kosovo in 1998 and 1999, developing ties with the KLA and giving American military training manuals and field advice on fighting the Yugoslav army and Serbian police.

When the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which co-ordinated the monitoring, left Kosovo a week before airstrikes began a year ago, many of its satellite telephones and global positioning systems were secretly handed to the KLA, ensuring that guerrilla commanders could stay in touch with Nato and Washington. Several KLA leaders had the mobile phone number of General Wesley Clark, the Nato commander.

European diplomats then working for the OSCE claim it was betrayed by an American policy that made airstrikes inevitable. Some have questioned the motives and loyalties of William Walker, the American OSCE head of mission.

"The American agenda consisted of their diplomatic observers, aka the CIA, operating on completely different terms to the rest of Europe and the OSCE," said a European envoy. Several Americans who were directly involved in CIA activities or close to them have spoken to the makers of Moral Combat, a documentary to be broadcast on BBC2 tonight, and to The Sunday Times about their clandestine roles. Walker dismissed suggestions that he had wanted war in Kosovo, but admitted the CIA was almost certainly involved in the countdown to airstrikes.

Initially some "diplomatic observers" arrived, followed in October by a much larger group that was eventually swallowed up into the OSCE's "Kosovo Verification Mission". Walker said: "Overnight we went from having a handful of people to 130 or more. Could the agency have put them in at that point? Sure they could. It's their job. But nobody told me."

Walker, who was nominated by Madeleine Albright, the American secretary of state, was intensely disliked by Belgrade. He had worked briefly for the United Nations in Croatia. Ten years earlier he was the American ambassador to El Salvador when Washington was helping the government there to suppress leftist rebels while supporting the contra guerrillas against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.

Some European diplomats in Pristina, Kosovo's capital, concluded from Walker's background that he was inextricably linked with the CIA. The picture was muddied by the continued separation of American "diplomatic observers" from the mission. The CIA sources who have now broken their silence say the diplomatic observers were more closely connected to the agency.

"It was a CIA front, gathering intelligence on the KLA's arms and leadership," said one. Another agent, who said he felt he had been "suckered in" by an organisation that has run amok in post-war Kosovo, said: "I'd tell them which hill to avoid, which wood to go behind, that sort of thing."

The KLA has admitted its long-standing links with American and European intelligence organisations. Shaban Shala, a KLA commander now involved in attempts to destabilise majority Albanian villages beyond Kosovo's border in Serbia proper, claimed he had met British, American and Swiss agents in northern Albania in 1996.

Belgrade has alleged the CIA also helped to arm the KLA, but this was denied by the guerrillas and agency sources.

"It was purely the Albanian diaspora helping their brothers," said Florin Krasniqi, a New York builder and one of the KLA's biggest financiers. He described how sniper rifles were exported from America using a loophole in federal law that allowed them to be shipped to "hunting clubs". Armour-piercing Barratt rifles made their way to the KLA's "hunting club" in Albania.

Agim Ceku, the KLA commander in the latter stages of the conflict, had established American contacts through his work in the Croatian army, which had been modernised with the help of Military Professional Resources Inc, an American company specialising in military training and procurement. This company's personnel were in Kosovo, along with others from a similar company, Dyncorps, that helped in the American-backed programme for the Bosnian army.

KIM try this article on US and German invovment

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http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/carr/carr.html

Igor,

Thanks! BTW my cat is called Ceremony: two rules in my house: Make yourself at home and don't stand on ceremony!!- Sorry its awful I know.
Love Shepherds!
Thanks for the info above, this is like a jigsaw puzzle, there are a lot of seemingly unrelated issues that build up a picture that would back up the statement by the person above (The Why is Nato in yugoslavia article BTW). Is there anyone who has managed to pull it all together?

I believe, like most other members of this board that Igor is nothing but a pee stained menace. Instead of looking for a job, this welfare Russian haunts the message board

Igor has insulted the Sephardic and the mighty state of Israel. For this he will now pay the price. The dirty pig has also gone and posted the Faulkner family website around the web

you have been warned igor, you are nothing but a dog, good for peeing into your filthy fathers mouth

Jake,dear,

You sound pissed(in both the UK and US sense!)

Cheer up, it can't get much worse.

"The economy of the Balkans has been put back at least 30 years,
and enough new hatred generated to last for decades. Far from
being a forward looking foreign policy as projected by President
Clinton, Germany has reverted to some of its traditional
strategic goals, albeit presented in a modern idiom. If new maps
were to be produced of Europe which depict current zones of
German economic dominance and military influence, they would
bear a striking similarity to maps of the Holy Roman Empire,
and, more recently, to those made a temporary reality by Adolf
Hitler's Third Reich in the 1940's."

One wonders if paragraphs like these are neccesary to the argument of the article, which is :that German economic interests are spreading East.
One wonders if playing on old wounds is really condusive to the interests of the Balkans.
Particularly the part about Germany trying to undermine John Major. I vaguely reckonise what the Author is refering to, but I also know that it didn't happen quite like that. You will say where is my eveidence and I would have to work very hard to find enough evidence to convince you. At the same time where is the Authors evidence.
Igor, I know this will annoy you, I don't want to annoy you, I want to believe you, but again that article is letting the side down. Alot of what it says may be true, but I could find so many holes in that article, where fact, fiction and the authors opinion blurr, that i find it difficult to know how much of the rest I can believe.
Oh •••• , i feel so ungrateful, but is there anything else that sticks to the bare facts?

ARRRGHHHH!Sorry!
Jo

When the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which co-ordinated the monitoring, left
Kosovo a week before airstrikes began a year ago, many of its satellite telephones and global positioning systems
were secretly handed to the KLA, ensuring that guerrilla commanders could stay in touch with Nato and
Washington. Several KLA leaders had the mobile phone number of General Wesley Clark, the Nato commander.

European diplomats then working for the OSCE claim it was betrayed by an American policy that made airstrikes
inevitable. Some have questioned the motives and loyalties of William Walker, the American OSCE head of mission.
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So this would mean that the OSCE was not the independent body it was supposed to be in Kosovo.
This would call into question whether it could, as has been suggested, been part of an alternative settlement of the Kosovo conflict. The alternative put forward by the Serbs to the Ramboullet agreement??????Or was that the intention?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

BER-STEEEN:
speaking for myself, you are a vile creature who does not deserve to post at DMS.
*you are not jewish; you are a RAHOWA WHITE SUPREMACIST SOCIOPATHIC SCUMBAG.
*you have NEVER ADDRESSED THE TOPIC OF THE RUSSIA PAGE.

consider yourself to be walking on
very
thin
ice.

ignore me at your peril.