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Where did 2000 fighters come from when the Russian Military insisted (a few weeks back) that only 1500 remain and the campain is almost over.

(BBC) About 2,000 rebel fighters are reported to have captured a town from Russian forces in eastern Chechnya on the day Russia votes for a new president.

Security was stepped up in Chechnya

Correspondents say the news may prove embarrassing for acting President Vladimir Putin, who is expected to win the election on the back of his tough stance in the Chechen conflict.
Russian military sources in Moscow said the separatists had slipped into Nozhai-Yurt, close to the border with Dagestan, gradually over the past few days.]]> Second Chechen War saladin https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21602 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21601 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:25:00 +0000
What about the other folks here, esp. Igor, who have nothing better to do than copy & paste? I think you should look at your own people before crossing territory!

BTW, nice article See..?]]> Second Chechen War saladin https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21601 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21600 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:00 +0000
indeed, 'Sparks of Truth' came right up via the
mac SHERLOCK....what i found was a jump station
claiming to have more to do with 'hatewatch
groups' than 'hate groups'...=koff= but there was
quite a collection of unpalatable links....

sorta like a show criticizing porn while showing
you the naughty bits too.

i wont put their address on the board; all you
proto-fascists in the audience will have to find
it yourselves.]]> Second Chechen War L'menexe https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21600 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21599 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:36:00 +0000
My mistake it was Sparks of Truth...
went to search for it today and guess what it no
longer came up under Adam R., but is still there in a slightly adjusted form....????????

Can't understand why a server like earthlink, which has some really good sites, would allow people to post that Shite.

If that is freedom of speech, then what hope have we(here)?

Kim]]> Second Chechen War ka https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21599 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21598 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:54:00 +0000 pardon me if i help myself to a good chunk of the credit for the =koff= 'subdued' berstein (if in fact that's what he's become)....with VITAL tech assistance from ladies kisako and kim.
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and y'know, kim, i couldnt find the scary site you found, using my mac SHERLOCK....not as 'wispers' or 'whispers'...although i could no doubt find some nasty stuff had i put in 'white supremacists'.

BUT...i think back to berstein making more than one reference to the 1897 gathering which is alleged to have produced the infamous pamphlet "the protocols of the learned elders of zion". i'd previously mentioned this to bacon, who didnt know what i was talking about; igor knew, though, and i bet my lady friends also knew.

although it seems WACK to me that a white supremacist would PRETEND to be a jewish fascist,
maybe berstein blew his alias by alluding to/believing in that long-discredited malarkey.

circa 1971, when i was 13, i found a copy of the PROTOCOLS pamphlet in the alley behind my house (outside of phoenix). but it included no comics or, heh, naked ladies, and it made _no_ sense to me.
i brought it home anyway...left it on top of my desk and months later my stepmother threw it away.
i asked her why and she said "it's trash, dont read that trash"...

but, if that's the foundation for berstein's lunacy, then you're right, kim, his charade was founded upon a document that would be 'prized' by white supremacists, and known to be FALSE by anyone w/half a brain. 'twould seem berstein (adam r?) undid himself.
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igor, the boston globe wasnt as hard on putin, more speculative, than that washington paper apparently was.
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...wishing the _best_ of days for them to whom i wish it,
i remain...]]> Second Chechen War L'menexe https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21598 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21597 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:11:00 +0000
A tale of betrayal in Chechnya prompts fears that the Russian people are once again
being brainwashed by Kremlin propaganda

By Alexander Voronin, in Moscow (CRS No.24, 24-Mar-00)

In post-Soviet Russia, stories of betrayal open up old wounds. They bring back unwanted
memories of the Red Terror and Stalin's purges. They demonstrate the power of
propaganda to erode the most basic human instincts.

It was for this reason that Russian society was rocked to the foundations last week by
the tale of a Vologda woman who betrayed her son to the Federal Security Service (FSB).
Coming on the eve of the presidential elections, the frisson of collective guilt may have
made some think twice about voting for Vladimir Putin. It was, after all, his propaganda
machine that had prompted the woman's unmotherly behaviour.

The villain of the piece is Yelena Matrusyak, who hails from the small town of Gryazovets.
She was contacted in March by Zeinap Gashaeva, of the Union of North Caucasus
Women (UNCW), who revealed that her son, Vyacheslav, had deserted from his regiment
during a tour of duty in Chechnya and was hiding from the authorities in Ingushetia.

Vyacheslav's tale is familiar enough - a phenomenon of both Chechen wars. He was
beaten and persecuted by his comrades for making the heretical remark, "The Churki
are people like us." His officers turned a blind eye to the hazing. After his unit
was deployed to Grozny, Vyacheslav slipped away one night and headed for the
Ingushetian border.

In the Chechen town of Samashki, he was taken in by an old Russian woman, Lyuba,
who kept him in her cellar for four months. Although she was living in wretched conditions
with no gas or electricity, Lyuba shared with him the little food she had. In early March,
she heard that interior ministry police were planning a raid on the village and convinced
her neighbour to take the 19-year-old conscript across the border in his car.

So they dressed Vyacheslav as a woman and smuggled him through four successive
checkpoints - risking arrest and summary execution in the event of discovery.

In Ingushetia, Zeinap Gashaeva billetted the young man with a family in Plievo and set
about finding his mother, so that she could come and take him home. But Matrusyak's
reaction at discovering her son's whereabouts came as something of a surprise.
Complaining of poor health and a lack of funds, she refused to make the journey and
asked Gashaeva to hand over Vyacheslav to the military commissariat.

Valentina Melnikova, of the Soldiers' Mothers' Committee, in Moscow, took up the cause
and offered to pay for the trip. Still, the mother remained adamant.

Finally, just as the situation was becoming desperate, Matrusyak rang Melnikova and
announced that she was in Nazran, the capital of Ingushetia. She said she wanted to
meet with Gashaeva and would wait for her at the Assa Hotel.

When Gashaeva arrived at the rendez-vous, she found Matrusyak in the company of a
nondescript young man, whom she introduced as her "relative". However, when Gashaeva
had recounted the whole story and described Vyacheslav's whereabouts, the "relative"
promptly signalled to a group of plain-clothed accomplices who arrested the entire
welcoming committee.

Matrusyak had reported her son's desertion to the FSB and lured the UNCW
representatives into a trap. "That's how it should be," she commented when Vyacheslav
was arrested. He is expected to serve up to five years in a disciplinary battalion.

The story illustrates the difference between the two Chechen wars - and the dramatic shift
in mood which has swept across the country in the wake of Putin's rise to power.

In the 1994-1996 campaign, taking their cue from a promise made by Chechen President
Dzhokhar Dudaev, thousands of mothers flocked down to Chechnya to reclaim sons who
had been taken prisoner by the rebels. The Soldiers' Mothers' Committee won a Nobel
Prize for its part in these rescues while the stories the mothers brought back played a
large part in turning public opinion against the military campaign.

The second war has enjoyed enormous public support, fuelled by righteous indignation
against the bomb attacks in Moscow and Volgodonsk which were conveniently blamed on
Chechen terrorists. Since then, the Russian propaganda machine has made every effort
to preserve this warlike spirit, downplaying federal losses and highlighting Chechen
defeats. In a more recent development, the media has been banned from interviewing any
of the separatist leaders currently wanted by the federal authorities.

But people are only beginning to understand the extent to which Putin's propaganda has
been successful - particularly in the impressionable provinces. Matrusyak was proud that
her son had been called upon to take part in the anti-terrorist campaign and appalled that
he had shirked his patriotic duty. The massive support for Vladimir Putin's presidential bid
would indicate that she is not alone.

If Vladimir Putin's regime is forming legions of Matrusyaks, then the Russian people has
every reason to fear the worst. Most can remember how the Soviets held up the young
Pavel Morozov as a role model - Morozov's parents died in a labour camp after their son
betrayed them to the authorities for making anti-Soviet remarks.

People still fear their hidden weaknesses. They fear that the spectre of betrayal has not
been eradicated but still lies dormant in the Russian soul. And Vladimir Putin, the
ex-KGB spy, seems intent on awakening the Hydra.

Alexander Voronin is a correspondent for Moskovsky Komsomolets]]> Second Chechen War see https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21597 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21596 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:07:00 +0000 Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21596 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21595 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:00:00 +0000 http://www.gopatgo2000.com/new/speeches/antiwar.htm]]> Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21595 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21594 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:57:00 +0000
Just a relaxing weekend, really needed it. How's the new home coming along? Lot of work I bet, what with moving in, getting settled and all. Any rate, may I wish you all the good luck in the world with your new home.

Apparently JB has backed off a bit for he fears the rath of the Camel Nuts Gazzette shall fall up him. HA HA HA ...if you know what I mean

HM]]> Second Chechen War hairymary https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21594 https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21593 Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:50:00 +0000 Second Chechen War igor https://www.viexpo.com/second-chechen-war/archive-through-march-26-2000/paged/2/#post-21593