Archive through March 3, 2000 - Second Chechen War

dimitri — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:35:00 +0000

Gonz..yea, Ike was one clever fella..and a weak/bad ally.

gonzo — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:30:00 +0000

Dimitri, As far as an independent opinion, here the way I see it. I just hope the Russians get this thing over with. I don't these Chechen fighters as any type of friend to the USA. They are probably more like the Talaban. Hey guys remember us the USA the country that gave you the stingers to help win....why not show some dam gratatude and give us Bin Laden. No? Ungrateful bastards. Anyway I see the Russian army in a Vietnam type of possition. The US army went looking for Charlie. The problem was they couldn't tell the difference in a Carlie that might shoot at them or a Charlie who just wanted nothing to do with the war what so ever. On the leveling of Gronzny. If the Russians didn't bomb bared the city and just went in. I think the same ammount of people would have been killed if not more (especally on the Russian side) . Street fighting is the toughest of all types of warfare. See Berlin 1945. Which is why Gen. Ike found out they could loose 100,000 in order to take Berlin Ike said ."Uh let the Russians do it."

gonzo — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:28:00 +0000

Dimitri, As far as an independent opinion, here the way I see it. I just hope the Russians get this thing over with. I don't these Chechen fighters as any type of friend to the USA. They are probably more like the Talaban. Hey guys remember us the USA the country that gave you the stingers to help win....why not show some dam gratatude and give us Bin Laden. No? Ungrateful bastards. Anyway I see the Russian army in a Vietnam type of possition. The US army went looking for Charlie. The problem was they couldn't tell the difference in a Carlie that might shoot at them or a Charlie who just wanted nothing to do with the war what so ever. On the leveling of Gronzny. If the Russians didn't bomb bared the city and just went in. I think the same ammount of people would have been killed if not more (especally on the Russian side) . Street fighting is the toughest of all types of warfare. See Berlin 1945. Which is why Gen. Ike found out they could use 100,000 taking the city he said, "Uh let the Russians do it."

hairymary — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:27:00 +0000

Gentlemen...Gentlemen: Let us not lose site of the fact that in war, it's not "who's right or wrong,"unfortunitly, "it's whose left."

kisako — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:22:00 +0000

John, how it all had began now?

kisako — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:15:00 +0000

Maria Esmonth happens to be an independent reporter who has gained fame and recognition for her honest and ingenuous reporting.
* Maria Esmonth happens to be a foreign reporter, who has "gained fame and recognition" for her "perpetraiting" "approved reporting", otherwise noone wouldn't be able to enjoy her "reporting". Poor "darling" is so "independent" as Karl Marx had been in his "reporting" days. Heh! ("'Tis rumored, it was his Das Capital experience.")
Babisky on the other hand has realized and in a way defied the Kremlin's barbaric attitude towards the Chechen people and its deceitful and fabricated reporting of the casualties.
* Yes. Babitsky realised, that his paycheck might be barbarically increased, if bandits are painted as the Chechen people. "Barbaric ignorance". Heh.

dimitri — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:09:00 +0000

John,
for an independent opinion refer to Gonzo's post at 6:00pm, oki-doki?

dimitri — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:01:00 +0000

by John:
""">> oh, you sound so sencere and conserned about "Russian souls". So tell me, what was your "ha ha ha" all about? Sounds of sorrow for "Russian souls"? <<

You will find my answer in the first paragraph. The Russian Generals, who were claiming victory a few days ago, were depicted in my mind with their glum faces as piles of bodies were taken away after today's 'surprising' attack. It was amusing--I couldn't stop laughing!! """

John,

NOW, your real face is defenitely VISIBLE..piles of "poor Russian souls" made ya laugh, right?
You contradict yourself, li'l guy..you remind me of dumbfucked Turka who cries about poor Russian boys and turns around and says that he's glad to see those boys dead..You're in the same "dumbfucked" league, John. It is not only me who can see your contradictions.

I understand. Johnny needed some attention, so Johnny posted some BS to get some. Well, Johnny got some..he's "dumbfucked" league memba now.

you're still drowning, bud..wontcha think "real Long'n'Hard" AGAIN..oh, forgetaboutit, you've already tried and obvioucely did not succeed..save those leftovers, Johnny-boy.

stick around - we need stupid people here too - I'll bully you around..just what you deserve.

gonzo — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:00:00 +0000

Is this Barbaric? Its war. Not a nice looking thing anyway you look at it. Sometimes war is neccessary as a means to an end after all political manevers are exausted. is this the case in this war? I don't know. But thing I do know is both sides have commited so called war-attrocies so I don't think ether side can take the hide road on this issue which is why we see posts like. "Yea but whatb about this barbaric act (insert act) that the other side (insert Russian/Chechen) did.

john — Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:52:00 +0000

>> you are such a big BSnik..when will that "civilized" skin of yours will come off. Barbaric attitude??? Idiot or a hypocrite? which one are you? Who is barbaric - the one the takes the guys head of with a chain saw maybe? No? Or the one who's cutting little girls's fingers off to send it to a father to get a ransome? Not barbaric either? <<

I know the history of Chechnya very well. I know what's happening in Chechnya and I'm concerned about the lives that are being lost (the civilians, the soldiers). You, on the other hand, are being played by unconvincing partiality.

The Chechens are the children of a nation that has three times nearly been exterminated by Russian genocide: in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, the last when Stalin had tens of thousands of Chechen shot and the remainder of the Chechen people deported to Siberian concentration camps.

In the last War Russia killed an estimated 100,000 Chechen civilians, razed much of the small country, and, in an act of monumental terrorism, scattered 17 million anti-personnel land mines across the tiny nation. Russia was driven from Chechnya in 1996, but its hardliners (ie Putin) and communists vowed to `exterminate the Chechen bandits.'

Today the Chechen units are battling ferociously, under intense shelling and 2,000lb bombs with no regard to civilian lives, to defend the strategic Argun and Vedeno gorges. Outnumbered twenty to one, the Chechen's defence of passes vividly recalls the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae.

If this isn't barbaric, then what is??