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(@treslavance)
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why am i here....i dunno, i'm asking you.
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the issue of the headless soldier, to me, was less
a matter of "be careful, in war you can get
_killed_, oh dear, how _gauche_..."
but more that the picture was posted here half a
dozen times....such repeated posting didnt
_revive_ him, here or anywhere else.
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...and i surely believe that lying on my front
lawn at 17, in shock, with my left arm gone dead,
rapidly bleeding to death [within minutes, it was
said]...is all the "honour of experience" i shall
ever need. arigato.
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St. Tony is a _psycho_ w/an agenda.
and you are not; your being interpreted as such[in
a hotbed of enlightenment such as USC] is more a
reference to the festering, fundamental
_ignorance_ of people who have tended to already
prove they dont know their ass from a hole in the
ground.

not your concern. consider the source.


   
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(@kimarx)
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Erm, L'menexe, no apparently it was me who single-handedly presented Delenne as
not to be taken seriously- Does the rest of that paragraph apply to me then, sir?


   
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(@treslavance)
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i dont understand yr. question, madame...
do you really want an answer?

why be in a hurry to jump in the trough with the pigs?
i wasnt sending you there.

scheiss. do i have to go back and re-explain myself? AGAIN?

nyet. this misunderstanding is all yours, mum, if you feel there was a 'misunderstanding'.
at best, my concern was that _any_ comparison to the SICK and TWISTED St. Tony would be wrong, on general principle.
between toi et moi, who fought him more bitterly?

may i leave the room now, please?


   
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(@delenne)
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* "cannot be taken seriuosly?'
Why not? The story repeats - I have been using the EU concept as a post-Kosovo economic and political entity, influncing the World to its likes and dislikes, - and see the downgrade - This may be a new concept for you, but I am not running the EU personally, I just live there.
And I just live here.
But before comes Ah Delenne, it just mum tearing the screaming kids apart, and the usual tantrums that follow.
Meaning that what I posted before was just blah-blah.
So, keep the PAL/SECAM on - doesn't matter - there is no other substitute to them in the EU, anyways, especially for SECAM. And the French "establishment" is great in teaching others not to do what they do every day.


* The idea that everything I think has somehow been forced fed to me by someone else.
Keeping Your parents aside (a don't-touch matter), the media and environment worked on it, otherwise You wouldn't be using horrifying progression from one level of violence to another.

* # You changed the subject I think: I understood the original statement, as critisising the EU for trying to prevent escalation,( the disco bombing was the horrifying progression from one level of violence to another) ...
This "escalation prevention" efforts stink, like they stank in Kosovo and now in Macedonia, where a lawful govt. is forced by the UN/EU into talks with illegal armed political gangsters, enjoying the cover of international "peacekeepers". Peacekeepers do nothing here, except filing countless paper, guzzling beer out of boredom and fearing Hezbollah retaliation (which, BTH, doesn't care about Your, or EU's humovalues), if they decide to make themselves useful.
Coffee Annan's offer of a temporary seat in the Security Council for Syria was an excellent move to antagonize Israel.


* ... but we are mixing up wars here. You were refering to Chechnia not Isreal.
No war-mix here. The general pattern of the EU behaviour in the recent period shows (try to to prove me wrong) that they tend to support the undermining side - K.-Albs, Mac.- Albs (just names differ), Chechens, Palestinian Arabs, - by inventing, or recalling various warfare restrictions for Macedonians, Russians and Israelis and happily bying into the Powell Desert Storm doctrine of the overwhelming military force, and modestly forgetting Churchill.

* #My enemy's friend is my enemy???
No, my "friend's" enemy is my best friend.

* We act based on those ideals, doesn't everyone else?
Yeah, Sudan, Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast, Algeria, Syria, Chechnya, Albania follow them with great "success". And You know, the EU follows them too! Bombing the country, that was not at war with EU and was settling an internal conflict at last, robbing it of the part of its territory, and providing a handy court for the bombed.

* #Then who gives a toss what the rest of the world thinks, you need to be the nice guys as well?
Why? Sudan gives, Syria, etc., and, strangely, EU, out of jealousy, it seems, hinting at yet another high kangaroo of Belgium with the handy British "Panorama" of the handy govt. media "outlet".

* # yes we have all seen how human casualties can be argued away by their thousand at a time- if it suits a political "pan-slavic" aim.
Yep, and noone had seen a 100.000 thousand "alleged" claim, laid at a NATO briefing, must have been another TV standard. Thanks, CNN, for keeping this outrageous obscenity off the air.

* * but this YOU call appeasement don't you.
We call it an anti-terrorist operation.
#So was Bloody Sunday!

Why then the British occupation continues? It's Highly unHaguely, You know.

* * I think world war one enlightened us about the niceties of war thank you very much.
(So much, that there had been a need to experiment with the second one.)
# hello, the term appeasement came into vogue between the wars, with Chamberlin's
"Peace in our time" aproach- this was because after losing a generation in the 1st WW., European's didn't really have the stomach for another one.
In the end the war was inevitable.

"But we tried very hard to reach peace by selling Chechs to Wehrmacht".

* We have tried to avoid this happening again with the help of Nato and a few Kangaroo ideals.
"Humanitarian bombing", "we can't go on a nation-building, while you are alive", etc..

* ( Pardon, if we hoped this arrangement could work for others)
By peddling "Peace in our time" with the dear Arab oil by selling them Israel. 6 mln. here, 6 mln. there, - does it matter much, they are used to it aren't they?

* # always looking for a sub-plot aren't you.
Every "humanitarian" ideal has a bomb to prop it.

* # and you're going to keep on seeing them, aren't you ...
Thanks for promotion.

* - no matter how many anti-terrorist campaigns you run- because the basic problem remains.
Yes, oil to feed your cars and the itch to control it. "Rule the waves ... tra-la-la-la".

* # It would be , that fits entirely into your general idea, that no-one knows better than the people on the ground,
What an embarassment, really, - Arafat here in the Arabic language calls for the destruction of us total with the state, and we are told in the Englich language that Arafat is pro-peace. A-a-a-a-h-h, the universal language is English, so, the other languages do not count, and one can do what he wants as long as he hasn't declared about it in English.

* and that wars can be fought in a vacuum, with no knock-on effects in other regions, no consequences, except for those actually fighting.
Who cares, as long as it suits the "humanitarian" purposes. A Serb here, a Macedonian there, f..... nationalistic pan-slavs, - we are on a nation-building project of nation-bombing.
But here is oil and ... Moslems ... and they organise and ignite quick ... and they succumb to the herd instinct quick ... and they shout that, the only law they listen to is the law of Allah, when confronted with the British Law on Terr. Orgs. ... and threaten violent actions, if there are no Moslem prayers in non-moslem schools ... scary ... spooky ... a no-no.


* We should back off and not interfere in disputes between soveriegn nations, no matter how brutal these become.
Totally out of line with the "humanitarian" principles of Syria, Iraq and the EU.

* We should particularly not be involved where our interests are at stake.
Absolutely out of line, - losing oil influence by not making a "friend's" enemy the best friend, - no.

* We shall allow every tinpot dictator to flaunt international law, expropriate what they need from foreign companies, terorise
That is why it is very "humanitarian" to avoid it by inviting him into the company.

* What are we? idiots?
No. All is logical, - shout about values and do the opposite.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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OPEN INVITE TO BEERSTAIN TO COME OVER FOR A BEATING come and see me you sephardic sack of shite.Landing Strip any time you are ready and PS bring your sword ,I'll cut your fuucking balls of with it Now we will see who the COWARD is you fuucking faggot.And this offer is open to any of you others who want to try your luck (POSTED AT USC) so rest of you here disregard


   
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(@fredledingue)
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Kim, Dellen

Both of you have a general view. What I'm used to criticizing is the detail of politician behavior wich translates theyr personality (bad or good).

Dellen point out an interesting fact: the use of language. When I was in Belgium I used to talk politic with my friends and we were talking basicaly on what goof said last evening on the news. But in international politic it's hard to judge and to joke about since everything is translated.
Dellen, do you understand palestinian arab?

On the long run, I think there are only two important events since the end of the appartheid in the USA and, maybe, the Vietnam war, say for 30 years: The fall of the Soviet Empire and the creation of the EU. Like it or not, the EU is the only thing created, new (didn't exist before) and implying a change in mentalities and perception of the world.
Corrupted to the bones, the EU nevertheless exists and marks a change in History.

Everything in between is BS. All the plays with Arafat, Syria, Iraq and so on are just business as usual.
Because politicians and envoys are not doing anything but business and deal gifts and oportunities to earn more than theyr paycheques.
It didn't have historical consequence so far. Israel is still the same or about the same since 1948, Arafat still didn't shave and wear the same towel on his head.

As for the Balkans, one say that the KLA is a creation of Nato, the same one after that say that Serbs are struggling for theyr nation and culture survival since the invasion of the Ottomans...
The reality is that nothing has changed in the Balkan but everybody including western Europe went to fight there like it was in the past.
(take here the US as an extention of Europe rather than a newcomer)


   
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(@delenne)
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* Your text is difficult. At first you say that Arafat doesn't want a state because he want to stick with his terrorist habits, second you amphasize the danger of wath Arafat may use once his state is established...
Nothing difficult.
Arafat expects to get Israel whole with all the infrastructure. This is not well-known to the West (I mean, public, just public - the "bleeding hearts" - not the political elite), at least, because Arafat was made a "peacenik" of.
Arabs (the ruling ones), while partially favouring the destruction of Israel (while very unsure about the loss of the handy scapegoat, which unites them and prevents them from attacking each other, - Israel, that is, - to blame their failures on), are afraid of him, because they know his worth, and remember Jordan of the Black September and Lebanon lessons to the full.

* But what's the solution then? If anexion by Israel is impossible and the pal independance unwanted (neither by Arafat nor by his ennemies or arab rivals)...?
There is no solution to it in the current environment short of war. The West created a monster it cannot control, because the Western assumed mode of public behaviour is chamberlainian.
Everyone, I guess, waits for him to die naturally and see, what will come out of it.


* After 34 years the West bank is still regarded as "occupied territories" and the jews living in "settlements".
For political purposes, just for political purposes.
Just as the Arabs created a McDonald's fast-food myth of the "Palestinian nation" around 1968 for public consumption, Western, mind You, Western.
But, make no mistake, Syria still considers Jordan a nothing, but a Southern Syria (and Jordan knows of it), and Saddam still considers Kuwait - a Northern Iraq (and Kuwait knows of it).


* But on the Iraqi theart I thought that the Yanks and the Brits are looking enough after Sadam to keep it under control.
They were. Europe is split now.

The mass media is far apart from the mass reality as it is already (that is why Heider had been a bomb for Europe, - "we love everybody, we politically correctly bleed for everybody" - a new christ, eh?- and boom!)


   
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(@treslavance)
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.....and a hearty F*CK YOU
for the FAKE...
all your posts deleted
but you still wont SHUT THE F*CK UP....

really, take your jug of kerosene
and pour it over yourself
then STRIKE A MATCH.....
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[?? -_- ??]
dont be cruel
to a heart that's true


   
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(@fredledingue)
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"The West created a monster it cannot control,"

Why is "the West" responsible. Israelis wanted theyr state and Pals want theyr state too.
Part of the west supports Israel, part of the west supports the Pals. And another part don't care.
I'm not convinced "the west" is an entity whith a position here.
I myself consider the jews as westerners and Israelis as almost European.
Israel even takes part in the Eurovision singing contest and look where it is!


   
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(@delenne)
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* Why is "the West" responsible.
You start from the same point in a circle after a wise sidestep view that, it is "business as usual".

* Israelis wanted theyr state and Pals want theyr state too.
So, let them move their a.... off to Jordan then, - it is their state.

* Part of the west supports Israel, part of the west supports the Pals.
And where is Your "business as usual"?

* I'm not convinced "the west" is an entity whith a position here.
Your right,
but ... cynicism is the best tool for seeing politics through.
Israel is under the constant pressure from the US, EU and other "players" in the ME game of pursuing interests of their own here. Due to objective reasons, policies of those "players" way more frequently coincide with the Arab demands towards Israel, - Arabs have a comparatively gigantic territory (Israel is just 8.000 miles2), 200 mln. of people, Arabs control those proverbial oil reserves, they have terrorist syndicates, have docile voices within the UN and pose a threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
Israel, in its turn, cannot match it with its only "voice of conscience", the experience of the agricultural development of the desert, its "being the only ME democracy" (noone needs it, anyways, especially here) and a number of World-level high-tech and biotech companies. The latter can, "if need be", be easily relocated, - to, say, the Silicone Valley, or even to Europe.
So, the national interests (good old national interests, branded so much in the supposedly supranational press of the same supranational nation of Europe, which fights for its national interests just like the "nationalistic" Milo) dictate and define the pro-Arab policy to any state, that is a "player" in the ME game.
The US turned out to be the main Israeli ally not because their interests differ from those of the other states (when Israel refused to be the NATO base in 1948, the US abandoned it and started supporting it again only when the USSR influence became too hot here, - see, no altruism, - pure bookeeping), but because there are two additional factors to consider. The Jewish Americans and the sympathy of the US Evangelical confessions towards Israel. Those factors are absent in the European and Russian environments.
That is it.
A P.S. to it. When Arabs ran out of oil, it will be "fun".


   
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(@fredledingue)
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"* Why is "the West" responsible.
You start from the same point in a circle after a wise sidestep view that, it is "business as usual". "

Did I contradict myself?

"So, let them move their a.... off to Jordan then, - it is their state. "

But 280.000 pals had been expulsed from the actual Israel at its creation. Should all the muslim inhabitants in the Isreal-at-large be moved to an ethnicaly arab country such as Jordan?

"* Part of the west supports Israel, part of the west supports the Pals.
And where is Your "business as usual"? "

That's one detail of this business as usual.
The balance pro-arab/pro-jews is such that there is no historical consequence, no turnaround.

"Israel is under the constant pressure from the US, EU and other "players" ...."

Arab countries have oil. Israel has the jewish diaspora. Is the pro-israel jewish influence so faint in the EU?
A good question here is: what's the influence of the arab immigrant community on the EU policy?
Arab immigrant are the "working class" or say the lower class with high unemployement and low education (in general). Except one figure in some ecologic party there are few ethnic arab politician in the EU. The influence would come rather from the voters. The solidarity of the European second generation immigrant arab to theyr ancestral origins is real. (15 years old marrocans in Brussels supported Saddam during the Gulf War). And votes weight _heavy_ in the political culture of the EU, more than in the Bush's USA (!).
In the US the jewish influence is more direct because of the presence of jews in the congress and nearby the president (so to say). (BTW:Today at USC someone pointed out the influence of the Mormons in the congress...similar.)
My question is: Isn't there any counterpart in the EU parliement or other assemmbly?
The same about Russia: until at least the fall of Yelstsin but certainly still now, weren't there some influent russian jewish?

"A P.S. to it. When Arabs ran out of oil, it will be "fun". "

Yeah. They will all apply to conver to judaism then.
It could be a bid deal to develop alternative energies both in the ecologic and the politic environement.

I agree with you that they have too much power only because of that. But keep in mind that more and more non arab states have growing share of the oil market.
(...)


   
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(@treslavance)
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you're banned, pince cabron.
dont presume to have _any_ say here.


   
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(@delenne)
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* "* Why is "the West" responsible.
You start from the same point in a circle after a wise sidestep view that, it is "business as usual". "
Did I contradict myself?

IMO, why not?
"Business as usual" and common folks opinions rarely coincide.


* But 280.000 pals had been expulsed from the actual Israel at its creation.
Come on. This is a stale theme. But I can make a rerun, if You missed it much earlier.
Harry C. Stebbens, who was in an official position in the British Mandate Govt. in Palestine in 1947-48, wrote in the London Evening Standard (Friday, 10 January 1969): "Long before the end of the mandate, between January and April, 48, practically all my Arab Palestinian staff of some 200 men and women and all of the 1800 labor force had left Haifa in spit of every possible effort to assume them of their safety if they stayed.
"The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."--Editorial, Falastin, February 19, 1949 (Amman)
"We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down." Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, as quoted by Nimr el Hawari (the former Commander of the Palestine Arab Youth Organization) in his book "Sir Am Nakbah" (The Secret Behind the Disaster), 1952 (Nazareth)
Abu Mazen wrote in an article entitled "Madha Alamna wa-Madha Yajib An Na`mal" [What We Have Learned and What We Should Do], published in "Falastin eth-Thawra" [Revolutionary Palestine], the official journal of the PLO, Beirut, March 1976, "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland...The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people." Khaled al-`Azm, who served as Prime Minister of Syria in 1948 and 1949, wrote in his memoirs (published in Beirut, 1973), that among the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948 was "the call by the Arab Governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and to leave for the bordering Arab countries, after having sown terror among them... Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave...We have brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees, by calling upon them and pleading with them to leave their land, their homes, their work and business..." (Part 1, pp. 386-387)."

Arabs attack, lose and whine.


* Should all the muslim inhabitants in the Isreal-at-large be moved to an ethnicaly arab country such as Jordan?
Everyone here would just love it.
Anyways, this is exactly what the Mandate partition of Palestine was about.


* "* Part of the west supports Israel, part of the west supports the Pals.
And where is Your "business as usual"? "
That's one detail of this business as usual.
The balance pro-arab/pro-jews is such that there is no historical consequence, no turnaround.

It is one nuisanse to the "business as usual". Being a most-blamed nation in the pro-Arab UN hardly makes it for the "balance". Promising a de-facto dictator of the Syrian "democracy" a seat in the Security Council hardly makes it for the "balance" too. Etc..

* Arab countries have oil.
Very good.

* Israel has the jewish diaspora. Is the pro-israel jewish influence so faint in the EU?
Yes.
And, BTH, the Jewish EU diaspora cannot compete with Arab oil in pushing cars and planes.


* A good question here is: what's the influence of the arab immigrant community on the EU policy?
It is a bad question, because it is the Arab oil, multibillion weapons contracts for Arab sheikh tank and airplane "lovers", six-zero kickbacks to the politicians, that influence the EU, not the silly Arab immigrant community. Je-e-z ... z-z-z-s-s-s
P.S. to it. The EU's Arab immigrant community is en masse a Fifth Column, for which an allegiance to being a Moslem supercedes an allegiance to the host-state.


* But keep in mind that more and more non arab states have growing share of the oil market.
Say, there is a very competetive oil contract with Columbia, Saudis, on the other hand, offer a non-competetive contract, but promise to sign a LeClerque tank deal, guess, where will France go?


   
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(@kimarx)
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Jelousy?
for farks sake...
Haven't got time right now, i'll be back later.

L'san, sorry just checking, confidence failure or something, but thanks for your email.

Delayed auto-delete implementation as per now.


   
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(@treslavance)
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FAKE AMERICAN FARIS HOMOUD
GUTLESS COWARDLY PILE OF SHITE
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lol that post wont last...

hock-PTUI!


   
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