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(@emina)
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What is Russia doing?Finally acknoleging who it was backing up all the time, and finally seeing that it was not entirely right See news report



IVANOV ACKNOWLEDGES SERBIAN ATROCITIES IN KOSOVA... Russian
Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov published an article in
"Nezavisimaya gazeta" on 30 June acknowledging that Serbian
forces in Kosova used "unacceptable measures with the help
of which Belgrade tried to solve the problem of ethnic
balance in Kosova by itself." Ivanov said that this was
"regrettable." He added, however, that both the NATO air
campaign and the "repressive actions in the country"
contributed to the "particular internal bitterness in the
post-conflict period." FS

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WHILE HIS DEPUTY FEARS WEAK UN ROLE IN KOSOVA. Russian
Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksandr Avdeev told Reuters on 30
June in New York that "tendencies have appeared to...dilute
the UN's role in the restructuring of [Kosova] and
make...its secretary-general a mere executor of someone
else's initiatives and efforts." Avdeev alluded to Western
countries, especially the U.S., after UN Secretary-General
Kofi Annan's meeting in New York on Kosova (see Part II).
Avdeev stressed that "we are anxious to preserve the multi-
ethnic nature of [Kosova], where every nationality is
protected politically and economically on the basis of the
territorial integrity and sovereignty of Yugoslavia." He
objected to restrictions on aid being imposed on Serbia as
long as Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic remains in
office, arguing that such conditions are an "interference
in Yugoslavia's domestic affairs."

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NATO, RUSSIA STRUGGLE TO WORK OUT KFOR COMMAND. NATO
Military Committee Chairman Admiral Guido Venturoni told
ITAR-TASS on 30 June that NATO and the Russian military
delegation that arrived at NATO's military command in Mons
on 28 June still disagree over several details of Russia's
role in KFOR (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 29 June 1999). He said
the key disputes are over how to integrate Russian troops
into local KFOR command structures in the respective zones
and the role of the permanent Russian-NATO Council in
solving questions related to the operation. Russia also
demands a representation of Russian forces in the British
sector. NATO currently plans to include Russian troops only
in the French, German, and U.S. sectors.



Well if the Russians have so much trouble working in a team(As an army is one) why don't they go home.Its not about demanding its about trying to reserve the peace.My experience is very simple if people start biggering about which piece you can have control over forget about it.
GO HOME AND PLAY STRATEGO FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Emina


   
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 zoja
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Very intellectual Kissie, I know enough. You don't have to wait to reveal yourself anymore. You just did.

Zoja

PSThe name is Zoja


   
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(@kissie)
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To : Zoja

Yes, I'm Intellectual.

P.S. Real sorry (:-( about typing of Your name. I apologize for the misspelling.


   
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To: Zoja

What kind of a terminal do You use?


   
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 zoja
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The Russians are walking a thin line here. They want to be in Kfor, and they want to supply weapons to Slob Milo and his gangs. Odd, very, very odd....


Russia May Send Arms to Yugoslavia

Thursday, July 1, 1999; 12:21 p.m. EDT

MOSCOW (AP) -- Moscow may try to get around a U.N. arms
embargo and supply weapons to Yugoslavia, Russia's ambassador to
Belgrade said in an interview published Thursday.

Yugoslavia's air defenses were no match for NATO planes during the
alliance's 78-day bombing campaign, which damaged much of the
country's infrastructure.

Russia, a Yugoslav ally which opposed the NATO airstrikes, has been a
major arms supplier to Belgrade in the past. But Russian officials say
Moscow hasn't broken the U.N. arms embargo on Yugoslavia that was
imposed more than a year ago and still remains in place.

``The U.N. resolution ... is still in effect, but I think a legal framework for
supplying weapons (to Yugoslavia) will be created soon,'' Russian
ambassador to Yugoslavia Yuri Kotov said in an interview with the
influential daily Kommersant.

He said Russia had ``insistently urged Belgrade to upgrade its air defenses
and other systems'' before NATO airstrikes, but that the
``recommendation was not heeded.''

``Now they admit to us: `We were fools not to agree to your offers.' But
it's too late,'' Kotov told the newspaper.

Kotov said Russia would also be willing to help Yugoslavia restore power
plants that were destroyed or damaged by the NATO raids. About 80
percent of Yugoslavia's thermal and hydroelectric power plants were built
with Russian assistance, he said.

Meanwhile, Russia's special envoy to the Yugoslav conflict, Viktor
Chernomyrdin, said Thursday that Russia ``has the ability, the great
potential, and we are obligated to participate in the reconstruction of
Yugoslavia,'' according to the Interfax news agency.

He did not say how Russia should help in the restoration of Yugoslavia, or
where the money would come from.

Russia is already participating in a multinational peacekeeping operation in
Yugoslavia's Kosovo province. A contingent of Russian paratroopers is
based at the airport in Pristina, and some 3,600 Russian troops are
scheduled to start arriving in Kosovo within the next several days.

Even that effort, however, has come under fire by critics who say the
cash-strapped Russian government should spend its limited budget
revenues at home, not abroad. Others also warn that Russian troops are
certain to come under attack by Albanian separatists in Kosovo.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Vladimir Rakhmanin on Thursday
warned against any integration of Kosovo Liberation Army fighters into
regular military structures, Interfax reported.

Russia wants the KLA completely disarmed, and even has criticized the
agreement allowing the fighters to keep their small arms.

``Any kind of compromise or weakness of resolve on this issue would be
inadmissible,'' Rakhmanin said.


   
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(@kissie)
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That's the lesson, learned from NATO by all small countries. And not only the air defence part of it.


   
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(@alexei)
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To Kissie:
Well, I believe you shouldn't take this wordstorm from Emina and Zoja close to heart. Actually I think you don't. See, they have always attacked everyone who thinks differently through all the board. Remember - they said you ought to know my HISTORY on the board (as if I needed a course of treatment at an asylum). You are so far one of the most reasonable persons I know here. So why don't you tell them, who can't even read newsarticles properly, about your background, so they could finally shut up.
Most of the serbs after they were refused to get molitary assistance from Russia, started blaming Russia for everything that had happened, so what can I do about it?
Kissie, tell me about yourself. Where are you from etc.


   
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(@zhirinovsky)
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Emina (Enema?), that's right, Zhirinovsky is the one to be your guide. Read his speeches, while you bruddahs are raping and pillaging in Kosovo.


   
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(@doctor)
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Jack London, I have warned you time and again, your bad ulcer is not going to stand this much blue cheer. You are getting overagitated over each word you feel you have to answer.

Remember lad, this world's provocing you, it's a whole big conspiracy against Jack London. "Them" want you dead, so try not to shake you locomotive so bad - it's the tough get going, you turn's over.

To live more
1. Try to get some sleep and give a break to you PC (pissie too)
2. Don't forget to pay your bills - the doctor is waiting

:-))


   
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(@zhirinovskyyouroldbud)
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Enema said:
...they barge in while the clearly knew when to mobelize.
--I got to work some more on the sentence, check all possible syntax, you know. Though it's possibly not uncodable.

...And another shamefull fact is that other troops have to give Russian troops food, that not the soldiers fault, but very dumb.

Yes, it's very dumb of some people to feed some other people, nicht wahr?

But J. F. Christ! If those are the only things Enema (oops! a slip!) minds, the Russians are very necessary in Kosovo.


   
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(@kissie)
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To: Alexey and, ah, to all who cares to read

I don't. The only more or less intelligent MessBoard I've seen is on the CNN site. But the site itself didn't play fair: an attempt to access files of one participant according to his real angry post
(that person had a security system installed and was alerted, what about the majority "securityless"?); one of the machines after
visiting of their site got blown - .DLLs and links gone corrupt; aggression opponents' accounts suddenly got revoked for no apparent
reason. This board is dying as that one. Posting of newspaper articles is converting it into the press outlet and speeds dying. The conflict is wearing off on its "viewers". Untill some next conflict in that
area that is almost sure to happen *because of the status of Kosovo (that issue being carefully avoided. I laughed, when learned about Serbian currency being substituted by the German mark. Kosovo
Albanians refuse Serb govt. IDs.); *because of the border control and patrol (who, which forces, composition of them, and what border? KFOR?-
Means they will stay there forever. NATO pays. Woah! - NATO guarding the Serbian border! Etc.); *because of the irresponsible policy of
destabilizing Serbia politically with TV and radio stations positioned on its perimeter (whoever Mr. Milo is or is not - he is a legally elected leader of no less legal and sovereign
state, and let Serbs themselves sort it out. The West chokes on TVeing anti-Milo meetings, well, pro-Milo ones do take place and no choking.);
*because of the KLA disarmament issue and controvercy about forming police or paramilitary, or military units out of them (that Kosovo
"Mujahaddin" Army won't disarm. Weapons surrendered is political crutches to "disarmament agreement". KFOR actually can take this paper
to toilet. With so many firearms, artillery pieces and even heavy armour looted from the Albanian military depots and those bought on dirty money it sounds like "Take my AK, take it - I have more." ).
Inventive Serb bar owners started serving "Coffee Annan". In what and whose hole that puppet was hiding before, now that the UN started its
recent whinings? (But no whining about the Irish graves.) Serbs refugees left from Bosnia and Groatia and now from Kosovo need attention too, no? The UN put up a muppet show of complains about the East Timor rebels' assault on their transport. They should've known better, that it was mainly due to the UN loss of credibility. But,
why? Call 911-NATO and bomb'em together with land into sea. Small countries (whether totalitarian or not, or in between) learned, that whatever the International law or UN say, they are vulnerable now. That US aerial attack doctrine in test and motion brought concerns about their air defence buldup. And with their military fearing that
the US might install some "pro-US-NATO" protection circuitry in its systems, Russia can win lucrative contracts selling its wares, that are superior (and cheaper). But the worst outcome of that stupid NATO action is that those small countries (because they are no match to
conventional weapons mass) may start developing nuclear, chemical or biological weapons of their own.'Nuff said... .


   
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(@emina)
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KISSIE.
I agree with you that this board is dying and in my view party, cause there are a lot of articals placed.But theres a reason why it happened.
Alexei sais that My sister and i were the once wanting no discussion at all, what he fails to mention is that i in particular answered as honestas i could all of his questions,.It was after they discovered i was not at all for Milosevic that i got treatned(nopt by Alexei), but some other strange person.

It's also not entirely true that Milosevic was legally allected, He fitted in nicely after the Dayton agreements if i remember well.

Secondly Name calling is not a discussion in my opion.A decent discussion is about respecting eachother and it hurts to say, but it was not there.Maybe for a short while, but when it gets personal its not anymore, and i think a decent discussion also means not to be affraid to be a little personal
Not to be affraid if you get personal your heads going to be chopped of.And that was exactly the case.
Discussions also don't involve unnecassary name calling, which also was the case.
Good discusions also allow people to change there opinion, which i did over time, but was totaly ignored.etc
Its just an suggestion but maybe if you look in the archives you can see the patron for yourself...?

About the Serbian refugees i personal think its a tragic situation, cause Serbian media are not even allowed to report over the fact that the cant come into Beograd.
This is not picked from a mediasource, but from a friend living there.And telling me about it on the phone

Emina


   
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(@emina)
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KiSSIE
I also just heard that the Russians agreed to a command structure with KFOR.

Emina


   
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