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 zoja
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Hey, Nicky! Again something Tanjug and RTS refrained from telling you!

Read it and weep!

CACAK PROTESTERS CALL FOR DEMOCRACY IN SERBIA. Local
political leader Milan Kandic told the informal "citizens'
parliament" in Cacak on 18 May that the war in Kosova must
end and that the "true democratization" of Serbia must begin,
Montenegrin Television reported. Kandic called for an
investigation into the role of a local army colonel in
recently deploying an unspecified number of "tanks and [other
pieces of] military equipment...near civilian buildings, and
thus for causing, as Cacak Mayor Velimir Ilic said, the death
of four and the wounding of 12 citizens of Cacak." The
"citizens' parliament" issued a statement condemning NATO air
strikes and calling on Belgrade to negotiate a quick end to
the conflict. Anti-war protests also took place in Kraljevo
and Novi Sad, RFE/RL's South Slavic Service reported

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Today a prison facility (Istok) was bombed by NATO with three missiles.

It is good that the Three Amigos have been released otherwise this one would have been tricky to justify by NATO Jamie "Allright Mate" Shea and Herr "Heil Bill! " Gertz.

A sugar factory in Sabac was also bombed with several missiles. Why sugar, Nick ? Hum, let me see...sugar is used in coffee, coffee is drunk by people, ... people enrol in the military... I got it ! Soldiers drink coffee, so NATO bomb sugar factories to make their coffee so bitter that they become useless at shooting airplanes, and NATO can say that they are beating the Serb army !

But what about vacuum cleaners factories Nick ?

That's an easy one: no vacuum cleaner = a pissed off Serb housewife. This means big scene made to the Serb soldier, at home or over the phone and thus the soldier is depressed...and...see previous answer.

And car factories Nick ?

How did you think Serb soldiers were gonna buy their Burek, travelling with donkeys ?

So what was the point of bombing the Chinese embassy Nick ?

Just to show they could do it.

The tobacco plant three days ago ?

Do you have any idea how much Serb buggers smoke ?
Almost as much as the French and the Italians combined.

The 62 women and children killed in Korisa ?

Don't be ridiculous, that's just collateral damage.

The trains and passenger buses ?

Their technology of transportation was becoming way too competitive.

The depleted uranium in the ammo ?

Well...you've got to get rid of that crap somehow, our lobbies back in the US will have none of that nuclear waste you know.

The bombs blowing up in Italian fishermen faces ?

When you arm a missile and the bastard Serbs start shooting SAMS like they are going out of style, you don't wanna hang around for coffee. So you head for the base and drop the stuff as soon as you hit the coast.

The Albanian refugees and their tractors ?

So we can blame the Serbs with human shield stories.

The agricultural stores, fertiliser plants, machinery outfits ?

If they can't sow, can't plough, can't harvest, they'll have to surrender or starve.


   
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 zoja
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O, my GOD, Nick is French...

But who believes it? Probably he is Serbian/French, Serbian/ English, or worse, even, English/French with Serbian ancestry.

Anyway, whatever he writes, it's full of himself. Nick knows it all, Nick travelled the world, your know. He grew so wise that his knowledge is above whatever anybody else says.

Sure, son, dream on. One day soon the awakening will be hard and painful.

Zoja


   
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More War crime crap


ROBERTSON: VOJVODINA COULD BE NEXT. British Defense Secretary
Robertson told reporters on a 19 May flight from London to
Budapest that "we have a seen a unique savagery [in Kosova]
and there is no indication [Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic] will stop there." The secretary added: "I don't
think it is scare-mongering to say Vojvodina would be next in
the drive for ethnic purity. It would not stop [at Kosova].
Montenegro would be next." He did not elaborate.

Zoja


   
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DDC,
I quit doing drugs years ago. I did them for about 20 years. Yes, they damaged my heart, but not my common sense. You are such an ignorant as*hole, I will not communicate with you from now on, but I will continue talking about you. By the way, you are guilty of the following crimes sh*t for brains.
Serbian troops are decapitating, baby killing, village burning, human shield using, identification document stealing, nose cutting off, propagandizing, emasculating, uneducated(2 planes do not equal 200), ethnic cleansing, brainwashed, wedding ring and gold tooth stealing, megalomaniacal, child raping, genocidal, fascists (these are their good qualities). Anyone defending the Serbs (LIKE DDC) are also guilty of these crimes by association. America will crush the lying NAZI Serbs under the heel of NATO justice.


   
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 zoja
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Something Tanjug and RTS are very willing to forget and overlook, or reason away.

From the Human Rights Watch Site.

Defending Human Rights
A number of well-established local human rights organizations were active in documenting abuses in Yugoslavia and campaigning against them. The Humanitarian Law Center, with offices in Belgrade and Prishtina, Kosovo, and the Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia publicized violations against ethnic Albanians and Serbs alike, as well as against Roma. The Kosova Helsinki Committee and the Council for the Defense of Human Rights and Freedoms focused their work on violations in Kosovo; the latter produced a vast amount of material on abuses by the police. The Association of Independent Electronic Media (ANEM) documented and publicized the ongoing problems faced by the independent media.

These organizations and others, such as the Center for Human Rights, the Belgrade Circle, and Women in Black, were generally allowed to function, although they were verbally threatened by the government, especially Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Vojislav Šešelj, who also heads the Radical Party. A number of local activists with the council in Kosovo, however, were harassed, detained, arrested, and beaten. One of them, Rexhep Bislimi, died in police custody in July from beatings he sustained while in detention.


   
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 zoja
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From the Alb.net, I will present you the chilling views of Seselj, copied now by Slob Milo, almost to the letter. Now you Slob lovers will think, o, it's an Albanian site, so no bother. But guys, look, these are the views of Slobs dear friend. He is quoted directly, actually most of it is written BY HIM. So, it's safe for you to read.

Because it is very long, I will split it up in four parts. This is part one...

Deputy Prime Minister Voislav Seselj Makes It Chillingly Clear

Voislav Seselj, Serb deputy prime minister and leader of the Radical Party of Serbia, outlined this plan for the ethnic cleansing of Kosova in October 1995. It bears a close resemblance to what is happening there today. To ethnic cleansing, forced depopulation and confiscation of land, he adds suggestions for mobilizing Serb parmilitaries, psychological warfare and the elimination of Albanian leaders through bogus scandals, staged traffic accidents and the AIDS virus. Illyria published this article previously, in November 1997

One thousand years ago, the cornerstone of Serb statehood, of its national consciousness and culture, was created in Kosova and Metohija. Ever since, no other legal state has existed in Kosova and Metohija. Of all the peoples living and working in these territories throughout this time, the roots of the Serb people are the deepest and most extensive. One cannot imagine a Serb state without Kosova and Metohija. Therefore, keeping Kosova and Metohija as an integral part of Serbia is as important as keeping the Serbian nation alive. The migration of Serbs and the abandonment of their ancestral homes in Kosova and Metohija became the destiny of the Serb people. Ottoman rule and the atrocities of Islamized Albanians who settled there subsequently brought about conditions under which life for Serbs was impossible. People had no other choice but run as far away as they could in order save their children; run away without looking back, to abandon homes, property, the cemeteries of their grandfathers; to seek safety in Serbia or elsewhere. The migration of Serbs from Kosova and Metohija occurred between the two world wars, while the settling of Serb volunteers there -- warriors first and foremost -- maintained to some extent the Serb presence here. Regrettably, this only lasted till World War II, when, first the occupying fascists, and then the Communists resumed the driving out of Serbs and settling a great number of emigrants from Albania. During the period of time 1944-45, the Communist regime prevented the expelled Serbs from coming back and repossessing their homes, acknowledging as a fait accompli the remodeling of the ethnic structure of the region. At the same time, the Albanians were rewarded with autonomy in Kosova and Metohija which was to serve them later as a foundation for their secessionist policies. The effects of such an anti-Serb policy resulting in a great number of Serbs leaving Kosova and Metohija. Albanian usurped hundreds of hectares of both state- and Serbs-owned private land, whereas monasteries, cemeteries and other sacred places of the Serbs became subject to systematic devastation. In the late 1980s, in a bid to hold onto power, the Communist regime in Serbia announced that it would pursue a just national policy and set out to solve the Kosova and Metohija issue. Serbs were misled by the emendation of the Serb constitution, by which the decision-making authority was given back to the Parliament. On paper, Serbia became a unified state, while promises of the Serb president paved the way for the return of Serbs to Kosova and Metohija. That was an historic opportunity which the current Serbian regime failed to fulfill. The policy the Belgrade regime has been pursuing vis-a-vis Kosova and Metohija is motivated chiefly by sheer political considerations, failing thus to address the real interests of the Serb people. With the consent and pressure of international community, the regime has quietly allowed the secessionist movement of Albanians to get stronger, create de facto a parastate called the Republic of Kosova and internationalize the Kosova issue. Once the Yugoslav federation crisis is settled, it becomes very much clear that the Serb issue must be by all means resolved through the unification of all Serb territories into a single state. Aware of the alarming situation in Kosova and Metohija, which is deteriorating at breakneck speed; bearing in mind the treachery the Serb regime has committed against its fellow nationals in Republika Srpska and the Serb Republic of Krajina, one can easily expect the same thing to happen to Serbs in Kosova and Metohija. Distressed by statements of foreign officials who maintain that the issues of Kosova and Metohija, Raska province (Sandjak) and Vojvodina should be solved within the frameworks of the crisis in Yugoslavia; being aware that the national consciousness and the future of the Serb people is unimaginable without Kosova and Metohija as an unalienable part of the Serb state; convinced that the president of Serbia, Slobodan Milosevic, has created a blueprint for a treachery against sacred Serb land to deliver it to Albanian secessionists, we are hereby stating the following goals of Serb national policy in Kosova and Metohija, and the necessary measures for accomplishing such goals and crushing by all means the secessionist insurrection of Albanians in Kosova and Metohija. In order to thwart the effects of this insurrection, we are committed to see the following issues settled urgently:


   
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Part two of the Seselj story

Reorganization of the state

To reorganize the state and change the current federation and territorial autonomies because these autonomies have proven to be fatal to the Serb people. The best solution would be to design a single state that would include in it the Serb Republic of Krajina, the Republika Srpska, the Republic of Serbia and Republic of Montenegro. The Serb state would have one president, a single parliament, a single government, while regions would be mediators between the local administrations and the the central government. The Serb state should be a national and democratic state of Serbs and citizens and other ethnic groups, to whom all individual, civil and civic rights would be guaranteed. The abolition of the existing autonomy of Kosova and Metohija -- by which a fatal disparity was created in Serbia and provided for the Albanians a basis to demand secession -- is the core element in accomplishing the Serb national issue. The Serb people now carrying out a demanding struggle for the unification of all Serb lands must consider as its foremost priority the keeping of all territories within Serb borders. The complete inclusion of Kosova and Metohija into a unique Serb state is an internal matter, and it must be resolved as such and without outside arbitration by the so-called international community. A settlement of the status of Kosova and Metohija as an integral part of the Serb state as well as a settlement of all other issues related to realization of a modern and democratic state of law can only be achieved by creating a new constitution. The constitution can be promulgated by a constitution-making parliament elected in a direct ballot by all the people in the country. The national policy toward Kosova and Metohija cannot be achieved without having it discussed by the appropriate bodies of parliament and without the consent of the legitimate representatives of the Serb people in Kosova and Metohija. Taking into account the fact that a considerable number of national minorities live in Serbia, they would, in conformity with international standards, enjoy all individual and collective rights, i.e., the right to using their languages in judicial matters, the right to be educated in their own languages, the right to their religious services, cultural activities and so forth. However, a complementary requisite for enjoying such rights must be their obligation to show loyalty to the state of which they are citizens.

Revision of the citizen registers and citizen rights on the basis of the 1991 census

It is very necessary that the federal parliament urgently adopts the law on citizenship. The law would define the number Albanian immigrants and their predecessors, who have in an illegal way over the period 1941-1987 acquired property and other estates no one could ever achieve in any other country. There are around 400,000 such foreigners in Yugoslavia today, Such a law would prevent them from living any longer in our state. Similar standards should be applied to all citizens of the seceded republics, unless they are of Serb nationality, and to all minorities who refuse to accept citizenship in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Some 400,000 refugees from seceded Yugoslav republics could be settled in their stead, a legitimate act of the regime. Two rules should be applied in eliminating the immigrants: those who have been proven to be extremists will be immediately expelled, while others must possess the proper documents, the most important being the citizenship certificate, something none of them of course has. This 'fatherland certificate' must have on its cover page the Serb coat of arms: the white double-headed eagle of the Nemanjics, and the crest with four Cyrillic Ss. The failure to possess this paper would be the basis for expulsion. The repatriation of Albanians temporarily working in foreign countries must be prevented, especially those who left during the 1990-1993 period (it is estimated that they number some 300,000). Employment should be denied to people of certain vocations which would compell them to leave the country. Albanians are in this respect very adept -- on the one hand because they have supporters in many countries, and on the other it fits their mentality to live in other countries. Such measures would first and foremost affect the educated portion of their population, so that the rest could be easily manipulated and not be able to organize resistance.

Revision of land ownership laws

In regard to revising ownership status a special law should be promulgated by which all Albanian-owned land and other wealth will be given back to Serbs and the Serb Orthodox Church in Kosova and Metohija. The church used to be in possession of large estates and it maintained welfare activities with the local population. By enlarging its land and estate, the monasteries could in an optimal manner perform their religious, cultural and national mission. They could also help the Serb people meet and prevent their further migration. In the events that took place in the second half of 20th century, it was only the Serb priests who did not move from Kosova. So, owing to their patriotism and their right to inheritance, they deserve large estates. The land that was sold to Albanians or has in one way or another ended up in the hands of Albanians, especially over the period 1966-1987 (during the Communist and Ballist [Albanian National Front] rule), as well as estates acquired by Fascists during World War II, should be given back to their Serb owners or/and their successors. This could be carried out easily because Albanians in most of the cases have not built new houses but have only knocked down those existing ones so that Serbs could not have a place to go if they decided to return. Albanians have done this because they feared that the situation might change and their illegal appropriation of estates could not last forever. During the socialist [Communist] reign, agricultural cooperatives and collectives were exclusively established on the estates and in the villages of Serbs, thus there is a serious need for reprivatization to give those estates back to their previous owners under the condition that they live on them. If not, the land should be offered to new owners. There is plenty of state-owned land that can be either allocated or sold to Serbs coming from outside Kosova and Metohija. The land must be allocated to private owners, for the state has not handled it properly. In addition, the land of agricultural cooperatives is adequate for settling on it significant numbers of colonists, who, by living there, could be more capable of developing welfare, social, defense and other activities. There is plenty of such land all over Kosova and Metohija. It is very easy to concentrate on such lands Serbs who could maintain close cooperation with other such centers to provide assistance in development. The establishment of chains of such settlements is achievable in the regions of Decan, Prizren and Suhareka, where, by expelling the Albanians, a strong defense barricade against Albania could be secured.


   
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Tormented Serb is rejected as a refugee

Electronic Telegraph.co.uk
18/May/1999

Tormented Serb is rejected as a refugee

A SERB who fled from Kosovo to Macedonia in a bus full of ethnic Albanians after his
wife and daughter were killed by a Nato
bomb has been told he does not qualify as a refugee.

His rejection was only the latest instalment in a story of suffering that mirrors the
Balkan upheavals. Stojan Zlatonovic, a Bosnian
Serb by birth, was wounded six times in the 1992-1995 war in Bosnia and taken prisoner
by a Muslim warlord. He thought he
had escaped war when in 1995 he was handed over in an exchange for three Muslims.

A friend's house in Kosovo had served as a refuge for the family since 1992 as
Yugoslavia imploded. He finally found a job in
Bosnia this spring and wanted to persuade his wife to return with him to start life
over again.

He said: "When the bombing started I rushed back to Kosovo to be with them. I wanted
to make plans for the future. My wife was reluctant to go back to Bosnia since we have
nothing there."

The indecision was fatal. Mr Zlatonovic went to drink coffee one evening late last
month with a friend. He was sitting on a porch when a Nato bomb hit his home 250 yards
away, killing his wife and 16-year-old daughter.

He said: "I stayed to bury them and I left on a bus full of Albanian refugees." In
Macedonia, he found himself in a refugee camp with tens of thousands of Albanians but
not one Serb.

"The Macedonian guards let me out because they said they wouldn't be able to protect
me," he said. Barefoot and penniless, he was given a used suit and some shoes by the
Association of Serbs in Macedonia.

Most Serbs still do not qualify as official refugees. An orphan most of his childhood,
Mr Zlatonovic is again alone. He thinks he
had a step-brother in Germany but he is not sure.

"The lady taking names for the UN refugee bus to Germany wouldn't listen to me," he
said. "She said if my name had been Alija
or Muhamed I might stand a chance."


   
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